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Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[W:245:463:992]

Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

ObamacareFail said:
1.)The woman had a right to be angry
2.) and she did not harass other members.
3.) Discussing what happened with other members is not harassment.
4.) If Planet Fitness wants to accomodate gender confused members, they should add a gender neutral locker room.
5.) I think the woman has a good case for a lawsuit.
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1.) yes she can be angry
2.) maybe but some of the articles claim otherwise and say other members complained about her because for the next 4 days she was approaching people making them uncomfortable
3.) your opinion but supposedly there were complaints
4.) not needed and thier decision
5.) she has ZERO case for a law suit lol
 
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MrVicchio said:
Pre-op Trans need to be self aware and considerate of others, post op trans should be treated as the gender they are.
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I agree
so do all people need to be aware and considerate of others
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

ObamacareFail said:
...Discussing what happened with other members is not harassment....
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the way I understood it, other members were complaining about her complaining. I do agree about the gender neutral locker room though.

Anyhow, I have never had a high opinion of PF due to the "lunk alarm" and would never ever consider going there. Their explaination for the lunk alarm is that they don't won't people to be intimidated by serious weight trainers, but the truth is that serious weight trainers go to the gym several times a week, and thus they aren't profitable at $10/mth.

They design those places in a manner as to attract people who aren't likely to actually use the facilities, and the one near me has nothing but cardio equipment and a few lightweight machines (no free weights at all). I'd prefer someplace a little more serious, I don't won't to waste my time doing exercises that have limited value - not that cardio doesn't have value, but I can do that without any special equipment or with a machine that I can fit in a corner of my bedroom.

I know way too many people who have been "going to the gym" for years, but they don't even look physically fit, they are still flabby. With proper training and diet almost anyone (shy of a 400 pounder) can look "buff" in 2-3 years or less.
 
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brothern said:
Errr ... why exactly do you or I care about someone's genitals?

Is it your business, or anyone's, to be examining another person's private areas?
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My issue is two fold:

1. If you're in the ladies locker room, and you have dangly bits, that's awkward. Seriously, why do that to others? If you can pass, maybe been on HRT/implants... change where or in a way others don't see this. It's called being polite.

2. If there children present, they don't need to have that issue in their lives.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

MrVicchio said:
My issue is two fold:

1. If you're in the ladies locker room, and you have dangly bits, that's awkward. Seriously, why do that to others? If you can pass, maybe been on HRT/implants... change where or in a way others don't see this. It's called being polite.

2. If there children present, they don't need to have that issue in their lives.
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Polite? Public nudity is terribly common throughout the world. From indigenous people to Europeans. Stop pretending a "dangly bit" is something shocking.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

LaylaWindu said:
hopefully I do this right, please let me know if i didn't

Static link: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint - ABC News

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[h=1]Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[/h]
Mar 7, 2015, 5:42 PM ET
A Michigan woman's Planet Fitness membership was revoked after she complained about a transgender person in the women's locker room.Yvette Cormier, a 48, said she was walking into the Midland Planet Fitness locker room last Saturday when she saw someone "dressed like a man." The person was wearing a wig and "a little bit of blush," but was "huge" and appeared "very manly," Cormier told ABC News today. "I just stopped right there in my tracks," she said. "It was a man for sure." Cormier, who had been a Planet Fitness member for two months, said she went to the front desk immediately. The man at the desk told her that Planet Fitness policy is "whatever gender you feel you are, that's the locker room you're allowed to go in," she said. "And then he said, 'We've had lots of complaints about him but we told him to go change in a stall,'" Cormier said. "He said, 'if you're uncomfortable with that you can wait until he's done in there,'" she said. "I stood back and said, 'How about he waits until I'm done in the women's locker room. Or get a unisex bathroom.' He asked if I would like to talk to the manager and I said, 'I'm calling corporate.'" When she called the corporate offices, she said, someone there confirmed that the person at the front desk was correct about Planet Fitness policies. "I wouldn't have signed up for this gym if I knew that ahead of time," Cormier said, adding that the gym is "failing to protect me if anything happens in those locker rooms with a man." She said she went back to the gym the next few days and "told everyone in the locker room what happened." She said everyone she talked to "was appalled." On Thursday, Cormier said, Planet Fitness Corporate called and revoked her membership immediately. "They said, 'You are talking to people about him in the women's locker room. You are making people upset.' That's my whole point," she said. "I'm telling them and warning them because you are not doing that. You allow men in there, and we are appalled by it." Planet Fitness Director of Public Relations McCall Gosselin said the gym is "committed to creating a non-intimidating, welcoming environment for our members. Our gender identity non-discrimination policy states that members and guests may use all gym facilities based on their sincere self-reported gender identity."






Wow so this lady made a complete ass of herself hahaha
I love that she made such an ass of herself and a stink of this that HER membership was cancelled. That's awesome. I'd like to know what danger she was talking about.
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Not wanting men in the women's locker room is "making an ass of herself"? Only in liberal lala land. Or, Layla land, in this case. :roll:
 
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ObamacareFail said:
T I think the woman has a good case for a lawsuit.
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Get the **** out of here. If you think she has a lawsuit against a gym, you pretty much fail as an American. Do you also believe a private establishment has the right to ban people on the basis of sexuality, race, gender, or... whatever they want?

She obviously brought tremendous drama bull****, to the point where corporate decided to revoke her membership.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

ObamacareFail said:
After reading the linked article, I went straight to the Planet Fitness web site and cancelled my membership. It was not so much the cancelling of the lady's membership, it was the "whatever gender you feel you are, that's the locker room you're allowed to go in," policy that they responded to her with. That is taking political correctness to a rather stupid level....and at some point it will probably result in a lawsuit. Some male creep can simply walk into the womens locker room and leer at the ladies....then if confronted, simply say......I feel like a female today.
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So because perverted hetero men can't control themselves, transgender persons should be disaccommodated?
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

MrVicchio said:
My issue is two fold:

1. If you're in the ladies locker room, and you have dangly bits, that's awkward. Seriously, why do that to others? If you can pass, maybe been on HRT/implants... change where or in a way others don't see this. It's called being polite.

2. If there children present, they don't need to have that issue in their lives.
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So a (presumed) little girl is only traumatized by this class of "nudity" exposure?
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

MrVicchio said:
2. If there children present, they don't need to have that issue in their lives.
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Think of the children! Oh we must think of the children!

:lol:

I'm pretty confident all children know to report someone who is behaving in an inappropriate manner, or they are likely accompanied by an adult.
 
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SlevinKelevra said:
So because perverted hetero men can't control themselves, transgender persons should be disaccommodated?
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The point is simply that other people also have rights, and creating a system to enable their victimization, however "politically correct" is wrong.

So a (presumed) little girl is only traumatized by this class of "nudity" exposure?
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No, but more so. We put men in prison who expose themselves to little girls, and for good reason.
 
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brothern said:
Polite? Public nudity is terribly common throughout the world. From indigenous people to Europeans. Stop pretending a "dangly bit" is something shocking.
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Stop pretending that this is europe...
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

Kushinator said:
Think of the children! Oh we must think of the children!

:lol:

I'm pretty confident all children know to report someone who is behaving in an inappropriate manner, or they are likely accompanied by an adult.
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I was more considering, as a parent, explaing why that lady had a dick to my daughter.
 
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cpwill said:
The point is simply that other people also have rights, and creating a system to enable their victimization, however "politically correct" is wrong.
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and do those rights extend to a situation with a 3rd party public-serving business who you sign a contract to be on their property and use it at their terms?


No, but more so. We put men in prison who expose themselves to little girls, and for good reason.
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Do we put women in prison who expose themselves to little girls? And if so- for good reason?
 
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SlevinKelevra said:
and do those rights extend to a situation with a 3rd party public-serving business who you sign a contract to be on their property and use it at their terms?
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Oh, I would agree the woman has no rightful cause for suit here. The Gym is allowed to set what policy it will, and people are free to choose to go there or not.

Do we put women in prison who expose themselves to little girls? And if so- for good reason?
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Not generally - but this isn't a woman. It's a man who thinks he's a woman. Now if he's post-op, well, zero confusion for the child, It looks like a woman, it's got all the woman parts, in that case, it's a locker room. Pre-op is a very different story.


But if you don't believe me - go ahead. Run up to a school, expose yourself to a bunch of six year old girls, and when they take you away try to get off by explaining that it's okay because you think you are a woman. I'm sure that defense will hold up just grand.
 
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MrVicchio said:
I was more considering, as a parent, explaing why that lady had a dick to my daughter.
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I think this is going to be a parent v non-parent issue, there, with parents naturally more concerned with taking care of kids, and non-parents more concerned with maximizing freedom of movement.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

cpwill said:
Oh, I would agree the woman has no rightful cause for suit here. The Gym is allowed to set what policy it will, and people are free to choose to go there or not.



But if you don't believe me - go ahead. Run up to a school, expose yourself to a bunch of six year old girls, and when they take you away try to get off by explaining that it's okay because you think you are a woman. I'm sure that defense will hold up just grand.
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*tongue in cheek...*
seems like sexual discrimination if a woman can parade her shaved (or muff covered) lady bits around the locker room naked in front of a young girl, but a man cannot.
{or vice versa, to be fair}
*tongue really in cheek...*
or maybe if the pubic hair is so much that nothing is visible (man or woman?)


*not so much tongue in cheek*
if this issue concerns you, are you for gyms banning gay members from same-sex locker rooms?
"Mommy, why is that other lady looking at your vajayjay and drooling?"
 
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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

cpwill said:
The point is simply that other people also have rights, and creating a system to enable their victimization, however "politically correct" is wrong.
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For all paying members, in order to form a more perfect workout environment, changing and showering in front of the people of their choice, shall not be infringed.
 
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Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

SlevinKelevra said:
*tongue in cheek...*
seems like sexual discrimination if a woman can parade her shaved (or muff) covered lady bits around the locker room naked in front of a young girl, but a man cannot.
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Nope. It's simply protecting children. Which is not only fine, but correct.

*not so much tongue in cheek*
if this issue concerns you, are you for gyms banning gay members from same-sex locker rooms?
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Nope.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

MrVicchio said:
I was more considering, as a parent, explaing why that lady had a dick to my daughter.
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Maybe you should start at step one, and explain to your daughter it is a not a good idea to be looking at **** in locker rooms.
 
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cpwill said:
Nope. It's simply protecting children. Which is not only fine, but correct.
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what is it protecting children from, specifically?
transgenders don't have a monopoly on pedophilia, that I am aware of.

Nope.
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so explaining why there's a "dangling bit" is problematic, but explaining why two women or men might be kissing isn't?

odd times.
 
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In all honesty, I go to a gym 5 days a week, almost always use the locker room, and have never seen anyone "parading around" in the nude. Few people use the showers, and when they do they always wrap themselves in a towel or change in the shower or change in one of the toilet stalls. People have seen me in my undies, but never nude in the locker room.

It just seems like this should be a non-issue, especially since no one is forced to use the locker room.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

MrVicchio said:
Stop pretending that this is europe...
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MrVicchio said:
I was more considering, as a parent, explaing why that lady had a dick to my daughter.
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I completely sympathize with you Mr. Vicchio.

Even though European, Asian and African parents are able to quite successfully explain this to their children, it must be very tough for you to replicate their advanced parenting skills.
 
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brothern said:
I completely sympathize with you Mr. Vicchio.

Even though European, Asian and African parents are able to quite successfully explain this to their children, it must be very tough for you to replicate their advanced parenting skills.
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Okay, drop the smarmy jerk attitude k? social norms are different in different places. Just because you have no problem with your kid having to deal with issues that other parents might not believe is appropriate doesnt give you the right to claim some moral high ground.
 
Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

MrVicchio said:
Okay, drop the smarmy jerk attitude k? social norms are different in different places. Just because you have no problem with your kid having to deal with issues that other parents might not believe is appropriate doesnt give you the right to claim some moral high ground.
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Clearly he was calling you out for projecting your own moral high ground, but you were just too blinded by hypocrisy to comprehend.
 
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