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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Evidence is available now. Plenty of companies have already been sued by transgendered people and lost, including changing their own policies.
    That would be part of the case law I referenced.

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    And even those laws that have been passed in certain cities regarding this issue generally apply only to restrooms (which is beyond stupid) and not to private locker rooms. It also seems to be left up to the owners, in most cases, to determine who gets to determine who is allowed in which restrooms, locker rooms, etc
    This lawsuit is not about whether or not the owner was allowed to determine who is allowed in their locker room, it's about the way they poorly implemented their policy by not informing members of the policy, and threatening (and finally severing a contract with) a women because she was doing so.

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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    That would be part of the case law I referenced.


    This lawsuit is not about whether or not the owner was allowed to determine who is allowed in their locker room, it's about the way they poorly implemented their policy by not informing members of the policy, and threatening (and finally severing a contract with) a women because she was doing so.
    No it isn't. That would only be an issue if the person had harm inflicted upon them due to this policy, which she didn't. Feeling uncomfortable is not harm. Feeling unsafe in the locker room due to your own misconceptions is not harm.

    The contract was ended due to her actions, harassing other members and making disparaging and false remarks about a person utilizing the gym. Transgendered people do not automatically put anyone safety at risk. Allowing transgendered people to use the facilities of the gender they identify with does not in any legitimate way put people at risk, make them less safe, yet these are claims she made and refused to stop making. That is why she lost her membership.
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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No it isn't. That would only be an issue if the person had harm inflicted upon them due to this policy, which she didn't. Feeling uncomfortable is not harm. Feeling unsafe in the locker room due to your own misconceptions is not harm.
    In your view, would it be okay for PF to institute a policy that allowed men to view the inside of the women's locker room remotely, say on a big tv in the manager's office, without obtaining permission of the women or otherwise informing them of the presence of video cameras? Of course, if they happened to spot a camera and complained, they would be informed that said policy is in place and if they could go elsewhere if it bothered them.

    Of course, no harm would be caused as the men would be far away from where the action was taking place, and no recordings would be allowed. Men would actually have to be present in the viewing room when the action was taking place.
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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[W:245:463]

    We have laws against voyeurism - such acts are often classified as a felonious sex crimes, even though no "harm" (as you define it) comes to the victims. Is this an "issue"?

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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[W:245:463]

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    We have laws against voyeurism - such acts are often classified as a felonious sex crimes, even though no "harm" (as you define it) comes to the victims. Is this an "issue"?
    You would have to prove voyeurism, it applies the same way to males and females, and none of that has been proven to happen in this case or any other case involving these sorts of policies.
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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    In your view, would it be okay for PF to institute a policy that allowed men to view the inside of the women's locker room remotely, say on a big tv in the manager's office, without obtaining permission of the women or otherwise informing them of the presence of video cameras? Of course, if they happened to spot a camera and complained, they would be informed that said policy is in place and if they could go elsewhere if it bothered them.

    Of course, no harm would be caused as the men would be far away from where the action was taking place, and no recordings would be allowed. Men would actually have to be present in the viewing room when the action was taking place.
    What would be the point of that? That is stupid. That is in no way benefiting anyone besides sexual perverts. Allowing people to use the restroom/locker room of the gender they identify with keeps those people safer than forcing them to use the locker room of the sex of their birth. Especially since it is required to live as the sex you identify as for so long, including going to gyms, restrooms, etc. before many parts of the sex change can occur. But the transgendered women are in more danger from ignorant jerks who will beat up transgendered women especially in public.
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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by countryboy View Post
    No, it is cautious to be wary of people with mental disorders. Contrary to popular mythology, libs don't get to make up definitions for words. They still have meaning, in spite of your best attempts. Furthermore, there is no way to distinguish a real "transgender", from a pervert simply exploiting this idiotic policy.
    No its bigotry. You can try to hide the bigotry but everybody sees it. Also this has nothing to do with libs I'm more conservative and nothing is being made up except the extra risk of danger which is just sad people are that ignorant.
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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    This is literally a stupid post. Almost 100% across the board.



    Then you write very poorly because you said: Assuming somebody is a danger simply because they are transgender is very hateful and bigoted. It's obvious you don't care about the transgender by your words thinking he should be treated as a danger on that alone is the true ignorance and disrespect. The rest of your post is just obnoxious.

    The topic is "assuming danger" and you follow that with a sentence about me with more about danger... you talk about hate and bigotry and then immediately make a statement about how I don't care about them...THEN you make a third sentence that changes the point/topic.



    My comments here have nothing to do with the guy being a transgendered individual and everything about being a man. Your assumptions on how I view transgendered people are based off of nothing... you are just making **** up because I have not made any comments about them other than positive ones.



    That is why I used the term, "implied". Look it up. Dictionaries on the Internet are easy to find and use.


    Seriously? This is like a second-rate third-grade come back.
    I guess that means you can't discuss what was actually said. I figured as much.
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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Transgendered people have been around in society since ancient times. It has been acknowledged in older cultures and accommodation has been made for it. People are way too uptight about this issue.

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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Bodhisattva View Post
    Wow. And here you are admonishing her for bigotry when you are exibiting bigotry yourself! WTF?



    You argue that there is no danger or issues of safety and if you do argue that there is it is bigotry...

    ... Ooooops, Bodi got you.

    Let's see how you try to get out of this one.
    Sorry there's zero bigotry in my post. ZERO but no its obvious you are simply making trolling posts hahaha
    There's nothing to get out of, anybody that assumes heightened danger based on the presence of a transgender is a bigot.
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