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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    You argue as if there were one set of public accommodation laws. Nonsense.

    Whether or not women have a right to change in a public locker room without men present is up to the people of a particular state or municipality to decide for themselves.
    Then provide the exact law that says people can't enter certain locker rooms or restrooms here. For this particular municipality.
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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    You are certainly welcome to start or join a movement to do away with the many national and state laws and regulations that require separate facilities for men and women, but until that day comes when you've convinced enough people that it is their beliefs, and not your own, that are "irrational," I'm afraid you'll just have to live with being on the losing end of the argument.

    It's really up to the public at large to decide what sort of arrangement is appropriate and to legislate accordingly.
    No it isn't up to the public in most places. Especially not when the usage is being controlled based on looks, not legal sex. Show me a place that checks ID before entering a facility to ensure the legal sex matches the room being entered.
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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No it isn't up to the public in most places. Especially not when the usage is being controlled based on looks, not legal sex. Show me a place that checks ID before entering a facility to ensure the legal sex matches the room being entered.
    The public, through elected representatives and their designees, create the policies, laws, and regulations that govern public accommodations - so it is up to the public in all places. The fact that some people might break the law doesn't change this.

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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Then provide the exact law that says people can't enter certain locker rooms or restrooms here. For this particular municipality.
    Again, the law that pertains to this issue is very broadly worded civil rights legislation. You can view the complaint and see which sections they reference, but whether or not it applies almost certainly depends on relevant case law.

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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    The public, through elected representatives and their designees, create the policies, laws, and regulations that govern public accommodations - so it is up to the public in all places. The fact that some people might break the law doesn't change this.
    You have not shown any policies that would apply to this case though. So until you do, the public has left the policies up to the private business owners. Until you show a law that says they can't, no law has been broken.
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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Again, the law that pertains to this issue is very broadly worded civil rights legislation. You can view the complaint and see which sections they reference, but whether or not it applies almost certainly depends on relevant case law.
    No. Civil rights legislation does not at all prevent women or men or transgendered men/women from entering other restrooms. Please provide some actual proof of this rather than your highly uninformed opinion. Hell, judges have ruled otherwise in many places.
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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No. Civil rights legislation does not at all prevent women or men or transgendered men/women from entering other restrooms. Please provide some actual proof of this rather than your highly uninformed opinion. Hell, judges have ruled otherwise in many places.
    Any proof or lack thereof will evince itself with outcome of this lawsuit.

    Unless, of course, Planet Fitness decides to settle rather than going to court.

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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    Any proof or lack thereof will evince itself with outcome of this lawsuit.

    Unless, of course, Planet Fitness decides to settle rather than going to court.
    Evidence is available now. Plenty of companies have already been sued by transgendered people and lost, including changing their own policies. And even those laws that have been passed in certain cities regarding this issue generally apply only to restrooms (which is beyond stupid) and not to private locker rooms. It also seems to be left up to the owners, in most cases, to determine who gets to determine who is allowed in which restrooms, locker rooms, etc.
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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Please provide the last time someone was attacked in a gym locker room, or changing room, or public (as in actually having people coming in and out, or employees in the area, somewhere, available any time its open) restroom. Last I checked, it is even more rare for a rape to occur in a public restroom, changing room, locker room, then for a woman to sexually assault someone.
    I guess don't follow the argument you are trying to make.

    Are you really saying that since it is rare for sexual assault to occur in places that men are typically not permitted, we should permit them to come in?

    Shall we allow small children to enter prisons to visit inmates because there has never been a case where a small child was molested or injured in prison?

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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    I guess don't follow the argument you are trying to make.

    Are you really saying that since it is rare for sexual assault to occur in places that men are typically not permitted, we should permit them to come in?

    Shall we allow small children to enter prisons to visit inmates because there has never been a case where a small child was molested or injured in prison?
    It is rare for sexual assaults to occur in any locker rooms or restrooms because they are public places, not because men are not permitted. They are almost always full of people and/or have employees that can come into the locker rooms unannounced. They are too big of a risk.

    And your example is in no way comparable. Hell, I went to a prison to visit an inmate when I was 12.
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