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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    It would be those laws that pertain to civil rights and public accommodations. Given that such laws are typically vague, any analysis - yours or mine - will likely be meaningless without a knowledge of the relevant case law, something I have no access to.
    Nope. In fact, public accommodation laws would say almost the opposite and you don't have the civil right not see certain people naked nor to not have them see you naked.
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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Please provide the last time someone was attacked in a gym locker room, or changing room, or public (as in actually having people coming in and out, or employees in the area, somewhere, available any time its open) restroom. Last I checked, it is even more rare for a rape to occur in a public restroom, changing room, locker room, then for a woman to sexually assault someone.

    Oh and statistically, women are assaulted by people they know, not strangers. People they are dating or are acquainted with or even their family members.


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    She had no right to harass them about the policy (there were complaints from other members), nor to state the policy as more than just the policy. She didn't just say "they allow people to enter the locker room of the gender they identify as, that is their policy" and leave it at that. She inserted her own view of "that puts us at risk of assault from that man".

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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Yes, they are irrational, even if some guy were dressing up as a woman just to gain access to the women's locker rooms or restrooms just to see naked women. A man seeing a naked woman is not equivalent to the woman being in danger. And there is nothing whatsoever to show that women in a locker room or anyone in a locker room is in danger of being raped because of these rules. This is so unbelievably unreasonable.

    First, locker rooms almost always have people going in and out of them. No half intelligent rapist would even attempt to attack anyone in a locker room and risk discovery, from either the people entering or those working in the gym.
    You are certainly welcome to start or join a movement to do away with the many national and state laws and regulations that require separate facilities for men and women, but until that day comes when you've convinced enough people that it is their beliefs, and not your own, that are "irrational," I'm afraid you'll just have to live with being on the losing end of the argument.

    It's really up to the public at large to decide what sort of arrangement is appropriate and to legislate accordingly.

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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    1.)You are certainly welcome to start or join a movement to do away with the many national and state laws and regulations that require separate facilities for men and women
    2.), but until that day comes when you've convinced enough people that it is their beliefs
    3.) , and not your own, that are "irrational," I'm afraid you'll just have to live with being on the losing end of the argument.
    4.)It's really up to the public at large to decide what sort of arrangement is appropriate and to legislate accordingly.
    1.) please produce these laws and regulations that apply in this matter to a gym
    2.) your subjective belifes dont matter to PF and thier rules
    3.) your posts are the only thing that lost the argument in fact multiple people destoryed them with facts . . I lost track of how many factually false claims you made. Reminds us what you have on your side again besides opinion and proven false claims?
    4.) wrong again the public has no factual say in PFs lockerrooms. PF could decide or choose to listen to them but they dont get a say.

    If PF wants to make one large adult locker room they can and its the publics choice to either accept it or not go there lol
    your post fails and facts win again
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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Nope. In fact, public accommodation laws would say almost the opposite and you don't have the civil right not see certain people naked nor to not have them see you naked.
    You argue as if there were one set of public accommodation laws. Nonsense.

    Whether or not women have a right to change in a public locker room without men present is up to the people of a particular state or municipality to decide for themselves.

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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    1.)You argue as if there were one set of public accommodation laws. Nonsense.
    2.)Whether or not women have a right to change in a public locker room without men present is up to the people of a particular state or municipality to decide for themselves.
    1.) yes your claim is nonsense because there were ZERO public accommodation violated in favor of the woman but in some places to ban the guy could in fact violate public accommodation laws.
    2.)100% false it isnt a "right" anywhere LOL why do you make stuff up
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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) please produce these laws and regulations that apply in this matter to a gym

    If PF wants to make one large adult locker room they can and its the publics choice to either accept it or not go there lol
    your post fails and facts win again
    No, I'm not going to produce an itemized list of laws and regulations of which there are many, starting with the US Department of Health and Human Services on down to local building codes. All of this you would know if you spent a a minute or two doing a bit of research.

    The facts are there whether or not you wish to recognize them. They don't go away simply because you put your head in the sand.

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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    1.)No, I'm not going to produce an itemized list of laws and regulations of which there are many, starting with the US Department of Health and Human Services on down to local building codes. All of this you would know if you spent a a minute or two doing a bit of research.
    2.)The facts are there whether or not you wish to recognize them. They don't go away simply because you put your head in the sand.
    1.) translation: you made it up and cant do it, thats what I thought.
    2.) the only people that have posted facts so far have been the posters destroying your posts

    Please let us know when you can back up any of your claims with facts, thanks
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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) translation: you made it up and cant do it, thats what I thought.
    2.) the only people that have posted facts so far have been the posters destroying your posts

    Please let us know when you can back up any of your claims with facts, thanks
    fact win again
    Sadly, just the sort of response I expected. With all sincerity... why not spend a couple of minutes educating yourself on the topic rather than spitting out this "facts win again" nonsense? Surely your time would be better spent expanding your knowledge in the area, rather than twisting peoples words around in some vain attempt to appear a "winner" on some insignificant internet thread?

    Anyway, since you refuse to research and I refuse to provide you with details, it seems there's nothing more to discuss.

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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by Taylor View Post
    1.)Sadly, just the sort of response I expected. With all sincerity...
    2.)hy not spend a couple of minutes educating yourself on the topic rather than spitting out this "facts win again" nonsense? Surely your time would be better spent expanding your knowledge in the area, rather than twisting peoples words around in some vain attempt to appear a "winner" on some insignificant internet thread?
    3.) Anyway, since you refuse to research and I refuse to provide you with details
    4.) it seems there's nothing more to discuss.
    1.) of course why would you expect less than the truth and me not falling for your deflections fallacies and falsehoods. Im very consistent .
    2.) thats what i thought since you cant back up the lies you posted so you are deflecting AGAIN
    3.) translation: you got caught posting lies and since you cant support your failed and destroyed claims you will again deflect.
    Please let us know when you can support any of the claims you made with FACTS. Until that happens multiple people will continue to point out thier inaccuracies and false hoods.
    4.) I accept your concession, good move quitting since you cant support your claims. THank you
    facts win again
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