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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

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    No. Wrong. Bigotry is about thought. Knowing or seeing bigotry is about action. My grandmother is a racist sexist bigot that nobody would ever know except she slips and makes comments to family from time to time. Nobody outside a few of us knows this. She is a racist sexist bigot. You are arguing that if you don't see it it isn't true. You are arguing that the tree did not make a sound as it fell because you did not hear it yourself. That is ridiculous. I am about done with this argument with you. I agree with you far too often and think you are far too smart to be making such arguments and I can see that because of your family member you are emotionally compromised. It happened to Spock too and Kirk was promoted to acting Captain as a result...
    If she doesn't act on those beliefs, then it doesn't matter. But if she didn't "slip" then you wouldn't know about her thoughts. In reality, she isn't a bigot because she obviously has enough tolerance and not enough stubbornness to act on her bigoted beliefs if you are saying she doesn't actually act on them. Therefore she is not a bigot (unless you aren't being completely truthful).
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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    1.) thats the question i asked you and you avoided cause you said you don't care. I am personally fine with those who are making the journey to be a woman using woman facilities and vice versa. So whats your answe
    I did answer. in private business that's up to the owner. If I owned a bar, I'd not care, some would say whatever sex you actually are vs what "sex" you tried to turn yourself into others the opposite.

    In government buildings, I'd say biologically.


    2.) of course not how could it be? interracial marriage exists right now, do people still not accept it? yes. Thats because there is ZERO force to accept it just like this
    interracial marriage isn't a delusion.


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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by AGENT J View Post
    *CRICKETS*
    Nobody has answered this still, what should PF have done after the lady complained and then they informed her of her equality policy?
    I've answered this several times.


    private business should be able to do as they please.


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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[W:245:463]

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    Static link: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint - ABC News

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    Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Mar 7, 2015, 5:42 PM ET
    A Michigan woman's Planet Fitness membership was revoked after she complained about a transgender person in the women's locker room.Yvette Cormier, a 48, said she was walking into the Midland Planet Fitness locker room last Saturday when she saw someone "dressed like a man." The person was wearing a wig and "a little bit of blush," but was "huge" and appeared "very manly," Cormier told ABC News today. "I just stopped right there in my tracks," she said. "It was a man for sure." Cormier, who had been a Planet Fitness member for two months, said she went to the front desk immediately. The man at the desk told her that Planet Fitness policy is "whatever gender you feel you are, that's the locker room you're allowed to go in," she said. "And then he said, 'We've had lots of complaints about him but we told him to go change in a stall,'" Cormier said. "He said, 'if you're uncomfortable with that you can wait until he's done in there,'" she said. "I stood back and said, 'How about he waits until I'm done in the women's locker room. Or get a unisex bathroom.' He asked if I would like to talk to the manager and I said, 'I'm calling corporate.'" When she called the corporate offices, she said, someone there confirmed that the person at the front desk was correct about Planet Fitness policies. "I wouldn't have signed up for this gym if I knew that ahead of time," Cormier said, adding that the gym is "failing to protect me if anything happens in those locker rooms with a man." She said she went back to the gym the next few days and "told everyone in the locker room what happened." She said everyone she talked to "was appalled." On Thursday, Cormier said, Planet Fitness Corporate called and revoked her membership immediately. "They said, 'You are talking to people about him in the women's locker room. You are making people upset.' That's my whole point," she said. "I'm telling them and warning them because you are not doing that. You allow men in there, and we are appalled by it." Planet Fitness Director of Public Relations McCall Gosselin said the gym is "committed to creating a non-intimidating, welcoming environment for our members. Our gender identity non-discrimination policy states that members and guests may use all gym facilities based on their sincere self-reported gender identity."






    Wow so this lady made a complete ass of herself hahaha
    I love that she made such an ass of herself and a stink of this that HER membership was cancelled. That's awesome. I'd like to know what danger she was talking about.
    Once they told me that the guy self-identifies as female and their policy is to let such people use the bathroom and locker room of their choice, I would've asked if I could have my money back and cancel my membership. If they wouldn't let me, then I would have sued, if that's not in their contract.

    Transgenders are not people who are going through a sex change. It is a person of one gender who wants to be the other gender, so dresses that way. He "identifies" as the other gender. But he (it's usually men) is still male.

    It's not just about danger. It's about modesty and appropriateness. I think a lot of other women are like me in that I was raised a certain way and am not comfortable going to unisex bathrooms. I do not want to pee in a stall next to a man peeing. I don't want to be adjusting my underwear at the mirror, and a man walks out of the stall with his penis hanging out.

    In a women's restroom, and especially in a locker room, women do personal things, like fix underwear, bra straps, use the bathroom, change clothing, do female gabbing, etc. We all have the same parts. Throw a penis into the room, and it all changes. I have a right to use the restroom and locker room without men being around while I change clothing or use the bathroom. Whatever genitalia you have determines the gender you are, and the guy who identifies as a woman is still a male, biologically.

    Transgenders aren't the only ones with rights. Other people have rights, too. So if the gym has that policy and they didn't disclose that to me, I should get my money back. I am NOT going to the bathroom and change clothes with men.

    Men may feel differently about using the bathroom with women who self-identify as men. I don't know. But I think women are probably a bit more modest about this sort of thing.
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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[W:245:463]

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    Once they told me that the guy self-identifies as female and their policy is to let such people use the bathroom and locker room of their choice, I would've asked if I could have my money back and cancel my membership. If they wouldn't let me, then I would have sued, if that's not in their contract.

    Transgenders are not people who are going through a sex change. It is a person of one gender who wants to be the other gender, so dresses that way. He "identifies" as the other gender. But he (it's usually men) is still male.

    It's not just about danger. It's about modesty and appropriateness. I think a lot of other women are like me in that I was raised a certain way and am not comfortable going to unisex bathrooms. I do not want to pee in a stall next to a man peeing. I don't want to be adjusting my underwear at the mirror, and a man walks out of the stall with his penis hanging out.

    In a women's restroom, and especially in a locker room, women do personal things, like fix underwear, bra straps, use the bathroom, change clothing, do female gabbing, etc. We all have the same parts. Throw a penis into the room, and it all changes. I have a right to use the restroom and locker room without men being around while I change clothing or use the bathroom. Whatever genitalia you have determines the gender you are, and the guy who identifies as a woman is still a male, biologically.

    Transgenders aren't the only ones with rights. Other people have rights, too. So if the gym has that policy and they didn't disclose that to me, I should get my money back. I am NOT going to the bathroom and change clothes with men.

    Men may feel differently about using the bathroom with women who self-identify as men. I don't know. But I think women are probably a bit more modest about this sort of thing.
    No, you do not have a right to use a restroom owned by a business without men in that bathroom. You have a right to refuse to use that particular restroom, or give money to that business. You do not have a right to feel completely comfortable or not feel uncomfortable in their restrooms or locker rooms.
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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[W:245:463]

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    No, you do not have a right to use a restroom owned by a business without men in that bathroom. You have a right to refuse to use that particular restroom, or give money to that business. You do not have a right to feel completely comfortable or not feel uncomfortable in their restrooms or locker rooms.
    My first paragraph says just that. That if they didn't put that in the contract, I am entitled to have all my money refunded, except for the use I've gotten, even if it's nonrefundable, because of failure to disclose. I would sue to get my money refunded, because I definitely would not stay. If the sign for the room says "women's locker room," that's a misrepresentation, so it should say transgenders are allowed to us any locker room and restroom they choose.

    As a further issue, I urge legislation to be passed recognizing my right not to be forced to use the restroom with men. For example, the one restroom on one side of a large mall, the only ladies restroom at a small restaurant, etc.

    It's a matter of propriety. Just like it's improper for a 13 year old boy to be in the ladies restroom because his mother is afraid for him to go in the men's bathroom. It's gotten to where everyone seems to be afraid to go in the men's bathroom these days (which is exactly why the transgender wants to go in the women's locker room; he's afraid of the other men).
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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[W:245:463]

    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaWindu View Post
    hopefully I do this right, please let me know if i didn't

    Static link: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint - ABC News

    Article:

    Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Mar 7, 2015, 5:42 PM ET
    A Michigan woman's Planet Fitness membership was revoked after she complained about a transgender person in the women's locker room.Yvette Cormier, a 48, said she was walking into the Midland Planet Fitness locker room last Saturday when she saw someone "dressed like a man." The person was wearing a wig and "a little bit of blush," but was "huge" and appeared "very manly," Cormier told ABC News today. "I just stopped right there in my tracks," she said. "It was a man for sure." Cormier, who had been a Planet Fitness member for two months, said she went to the front desk immediately. The man at the desk told her that Planet Fitness policy is "whatever gender you feel you are, that's the locker room you're allowed to go in," she said. "And then he said, 'We've had lots of complaints about him but we told him to go change in a stall,'" Cormier said. "He said, 'if you're uncomfortable with that you can wait until he's done in there,'" she said. "I stood back and said, 'How about he waits until I'm done in the women's locker room. Or get a unisex bathroom.' He asked if I would like to talk to the manager and I said, 'I'm calling corporate.'" When she called the corporate offices, she said, someone there confirmed that the person at the front desk was correct about Planet Fitness policies. "I wouldn't have signed up for this gym if I knew that ahead of time," Cormier said, adding that the gym is "failing to protect me if anything happens in those locker rooms with a man." She said she went back to the gym the next few days and "told everyone in the locker room what happened." She said everyone she talked to "was appalled." On Thursday, Cormier said, Planet Fitness Corporate called and revoked her membership immediately. "They said, 'You are talking to people about him in the women's locker room. You are making people upset.' That's my whole point," she said. "I'm telling them and warning them because you are not doing that. You allow men in there, and we are appalled by it." Planet Fitness Director of Public Relations McCall Gosselin said the gym is "committed to creating a non-intimidating, welcoming environment for our members. Our gender identity non-discrimination policy states that members and guests may use all gym facilities based on their sincere self-reported gender identity."






    Wow so this lady made a complete ass of herself hahaha
    I love that she made such an ass of herself and a stink of this that HER membership was cancelled. That's awesome. I'd like to know what danger she was talking about.

    If you have a penis, you should have to go to the restroom and locker room where the people with penises go. People with vaginas go in the women's restroom and locker room. It's that simple.

    If I self-identify as a movie star, do I get to go to the Academy Awards? Nonsense.
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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[W:245:463]

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    My first paragraph says just that. That if they didn't put that in the contract, I am entitled to have all my money refunded, except for the use I've gotten, even if it's nonrefundable, because of failure to disclose. I would sue to get my money refunded, because I definitely would not stay. If the sign for the room says "women's locker room," that's a misrepresentation, so it should say transgenders are allowed to us any locker room and restroom they choose.

    As a further issue, I urge legislation to be passed recognizing my right not to be forced to use the restroom with men. For example, the one restroom on one side of a large mall, the only ladies restroom at a small restaurant, etc.

    It's a matter of propriety. Just like it's improper for a 13 year old boy to be in the ladies restroom because his mother is afraid for him to go in the men's bathroom. It's gotten to where everyone seems to be afraid to go in the men's bathroom these days (which is exactly why the transgender wants to go in the women's locker room; he's afraid of the other men).
    So long as they made the rules available to you somewhere, then no, they did not have to "put that <specifically> in the contract". Pretty sure it was available for the woman to find somewhere.

    Again, where I work, anyone is allowed to use any restroom or fitting room they wish to enter. They don't even have to identify as that gender posted. There is nothing that requires us to do that. Those who don't like it can go somewhere else, even if they don't find out about it til after someone is able to enter either the restroom or fitting room.

    Now, had the woman calmly and respectfully informed PF that she did not agree with that policy and wanted to go somewhere else, I believe it would have been best if they would have refunded that month's membership fee and any fees paid for future months.

    And the transgendered woman's fear is actually much more valid than a woman's fear of the transgendered woman. And propriety means pretty much nothing to me. To me, this is like saying that nursing mothers should do it behind closed bathroom stalls or only at home.
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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint[W:245:463]

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    If you have a penis, you should have to go to the restroom and locker room where the people with penises go. People with vaginas go in the women's restroom and locker room. It's that simple.

    If I self-identify as a movie star, do I get to go to the Academy Awards? Nonsense.
    Why? No one generally sees penises or vaginas in the locker rooms to begin with, and the only time you see anything in the restroom is when a man is using the urinal. Those with vaginas cannot use urinals without making a spectacle out of themselves. I know, I've tried (desperation when that was all that was available, and it was in a private stall). So those in women's restrooms will not see penises even if someone who does have one is in there, because they don't normally see vaginas. And those in men's restrooms will not see vaginas even if someone with one is in there because there are these things called stalls, most of which have locks. Even in locker rooms, people don't normally stay completely naked and the majority have privacy stalls. Heck most of the ones I've been in have individual areas with curtains right outside the showers to get undressed and dressed in complete privacy. And if you are really concerned about it, you can simply go somewhere else, either in general or to change.
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    Re: Planet Fitness Revokes Woman's Membership After Transgender Complaint

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    1.)I did answer. in private business that's up to the owner. If I owned a bar, I'd not care, some would say whatever sex you actually are vs what "sex" you tried to turn yourself into others the opposite.

    In government buildings, I'd say biologically.




    interracial marriage isn't a delusion.
    1.) well soon i doubt its gonna be a choice. It already is not a choice for those that have legally changed, they get to go in the restroom of thier change and not based on biology

    2.) thats called a deflection. You opinion of whether its a delusion or not does not change the fact that is ZERO force to accept it. You are still free to not do so, just like everything else.
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