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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You're missing another option: screw the bigots altogether. They're losing the equal marriage conflict pretty badly as it is. No compromise is necessary.

    lol, indeed, screw them, keep marriage and the marriage penalty a part of government and make teh gays have to pay it too.


    if all else fails, I agree with you, I'd simply like to see government out of dictating what is and what is not a marriage and how much that's going to cost you.
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by Andalublue View Post
    I've never been remotely bothered who rubber-stamps marriage certificates. If the state wants to do it or the various chuches/temples/whatever so be it. What I don't want to see is that certain domestic arrangements are rewarded by tax-payers money, while others are not. That's the business the state should have no hand in.
    100% agree. the state of your relationship should have no bearing on your taxes./
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Not true, as is evidenced by the fact that so many of those bans getting struck down now included anything resembling marriage, by another name. That is a claim only being made recently when the writing on the wall could easily be seen by those conservatives who were in a frenzy to ensure no recognition was given just a decade or so before in so many states.
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    Neither religion nor opposite sex couples own exclusive rights to the meaning of the word marriage or what it is used to describe, who can use that word for their relationship.

    ok...... that's what I am saying. I am also saying you END the controversy by getting the government out of the marriage business.
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Religion does not own the word marriage, for anyone. It doesn't matter how much they want to claim it so there is absolutely no reason to change what we call legally recognized unions, now known as "marriages", just to appease those too petty to share a word.


    so, it's not about two same sex people, loving each other, and having the very same rights a man and a woman has, it's about the word I see. It's more about "winning" the semantics game than equal rights.


    I want everyone treated the same, I don't care personally what the government calls it. But if you removed the government from the equation, it wouldn't be an issue.
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    And years from now, people will think it absurd that we actually criminalized what two consenting adults do with each others body parts even in the privacy of their own home.


    yeah, but on the flipside, everyone will have a government monitoring camera in thier home!
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    which ones?
    Georgia, Ohio, North Dakota, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin, Idaho, North Carolina, Arizona, Kansas, South Carolina, Florida, Alabama, Texas, Michigan, Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, South Dakota, Nebraska all passed laws that restricted marriage to one man and one woman, and also barred any other type of civil union. (By now, most have been found unconstitutional.) Typical language is "A legal status identical or substantially similar to that of marriage for unmarried individuals shall not be valid or recognized."

    List of U.S. state constitutional amendments banning same-sex unions by type - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    While the handful of libertarian-leaners don't care about SSM, it's pretty clear that many conservatives do not want same-sex civil unions.

    I also think your purported fix is absurd, and fools no one. You want to confer the exact same rights, powers, abilities and meaning to a same-sex civil union, as long as they don't refer to it with the word "marriage?" Great. Does that mean I can snort cocaine, as long as I refer to it as "Bolivian Marching Powder"? Can I solicit a prostitute, as long as I call it "walking the dog?"

    And in terms of government staying out: You can already perform a legally meaningless ritual symbolizing commitment with as many people of whatever gender you want. Utah tried to outlaw such rituals recently (to prevent legally meaningless polygamist marriages) and was shot down in the courts. But...

    Do you not want your spouse to visit you in the hospital? Should your spouse not be empowered to make medical decisions for you, if you are incapacitated? If you divorce in a contentious manner, should the state play no role whatsoever as a neutral arbitrator? Should the surviving spouses of a soldier who is KIA be cut adrift?

    The reality is that we don't live in band-level societies anymore, with informal laws and information institutions. Modern life is too complex, too impersonal, too formalized to merely say "government should stay out of marriage."

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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    When the anti-gay crowd's argument is reduced to fighting about a noun, you know the battle for them is lost.

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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    That's exactly what I am advocating, government makes no distinction, everyone is a civil union. let, churches, groups, etc call what their ceremonies do whatever they want, it's none of our business.
    what amazes me is the number of people who suddenly started advocating it once gays/lesbians were allowed to marry. Somehow, before that, it never came up. (I don't know if you earlier advocated having civil unions for all; I never saw it being advocated in general until SSM started happening)

    Pretty selfish. Not wanting to share "marriage" with others. doesn't hurt current marriages to have more people marry.

    ps - I've ALWAYS hated having govt in the business of marriage licenses; having to "legally" commit to someone to get benefits - and responsibilities. But given that's the way it is, all couples, same gender or opposite genders, should be able to do it.

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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    lol, indeed, screw them, keep marriage and the marriage penalty a part of government and make teh gays have to pay it too.


    if all else fails, I agree with you, I'd simply like to see government out of dictating what is and what is not a marriage and how much that's going to cost you.
    The government doesn't dictate what is and isn't marriage, actually, it just determines what marriage is if you want its benefits. By all means if you don't want the government marriage don't get it, and get the religious one instead (or the one at Burning Man or whatever). Sure, the government may not recognize it, but if your goal is to not have government in marriage then you've attained that goal, haven't you?

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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The government doesn't dictate what is and isn't marriage, actually, it just determines what marriage is if you want its benefits. By all means if you don't want the government marriage don't get it, and get the religious one instead (or the one at Burning Man or whatever). Sure, the government may not recognize it, but if your goal is to not have government in marriage then you've attained that goal, haven't you?
    Good point. people can get married all they want if they aren't doing it through the government. Jump over a broomstick. But they won't get the benefits that legally married couples get. Which may be fine for them.

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