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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Reverand Hellhound, I think the point about children is that, by having your marriage legally recognized by the govt, your children (and you) get a lot of protections that you wouldn't get if you didn't have the govt-legalized marriage.

    Things like inheritance rights, visitation in hospital rights, custody rights in case of the partnership splitting up, etc.

    I understand your point that you feel this should all be covered without govt interference; but that's going to be a lot of work. So given how our society is set up, it's easier to extend marriage to same sex couples (which you're fine with) than to toss the institution out altogether

    Maybe in 30 years... I read in a book one time where the author envisioned contract marriages; you got married for 5 or 10 years; at the end of that time the contract was dissolved unless both partners agreed to re-sign it. That could work.
    And if he did marry, then he chose to take advantage of those benefits. He and is partner did not have to formally marry in the legal sense to enjoy a 'married' relationship.

    Of course we all develop different perspectives and positions as we mature so maybe he has just legitimately changed his stance on the issue.
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    see from 95 on?

    that's that social media, thing I keep tekkubg yoou about, as it plateus, those are your hold outs, about 13% as you noted.

    That's not a relevant amount.

    What? Blacks are a minority in the US of 13.2%...that's not a 'relevant' amount? Meaning, not significant?

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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    What? Blacks are a minority in the US of 13.2%...that's not a 'relevant' amount? Meaning, not significant?

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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I think 100% acceptance is unrealistic
    Well I wasnt really commenting on acceptance so much as 'ostracized.' It was 2 different posts so I can understand that not being clear.
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I thought it was about equal protection under the law, not an activist crusade to make people accept other peoples lifestyle.
    Yes, it's about everyone being treated equally by the law.

    Yes, as I said, the anti-SSM crew are motivated to oppose SSM because they do not want our society to accept homosexuality as normal.

    The anti-SSM groups are on an activist crusade to make everyone reject a specific lifestyle. Fighting against this does not mean "forcing people to be tolerant." It means "using the law to allow people the freedom to make their own choices."

    This does not mean I am actually advocating any policies that "force tolerance." Like I said, I don't want any religious entities to be compelled to perform same-sex marriages. I don't want private clubs to be compelled to accept gay members. I am not proposing any restrictions on speech. I'm not requiring anyone to get married. As such, I am not trying to use the law to force people to accept the views of others. I'm trying to use the law to prevent a restriction of freedom.

    And as noted, if you try to remove government from the equation, by default you're defeating the anti-SSM side. Thus, removing government does not qualify as a neutral stance upon which everyone can or should agree.


    But you wish to pass laws to bring about "Accepting homosexuality". your words.
    ...no, I want the law to stop treating homosexuals as second-class citizens. THOSE are my words.

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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Yes, it's about everyone being treated equally by the law.

    Yes, as I said, the anti-SSM crew are motivated to oppose SSM because they do not want our society to accept homosexuality as normal.

    The anti-SSM groups are on an activist crusade to make everyone reject a specific lifestyle. Fighting against this does not mean "forcing people to be tolerant." It means "using the law to allow people the freedom to make their own choices."

    This does not mean I am actually advocating any policies that "force tolerance." Like I said, I don't want any religious entities to be compelled to perform same-sex marriages. I don't want private clubs to be compelled to accept gay members. I am not proposing any restrictions on speech. I'm not requiring anyone to get married. As such, I am not trying to use the law to force people to accept the views of others. I'm trying to use the law to prevent a restriction of freedom.

    And as noted, if you try to remove government from the equation, by default you're defeating the anti-SSM side. Thus, removing government does not qualify as a neutral stance upon which everyone can or should agree.



    ...no, I want the law to stop treating homosexuals as second-class citizens. THOSE are my words.



    "And as noted, if you try to remove government from the equation, by default you're defeating the anti-SSM side. Thus, removing government does not qualify as a neutral stance upon which everyone can or should agree."


    I don't see why it doesn't.

    If the government had no part of it, who's to say who can and cannot call thier things "marriage" I guess I am not fully understanding your point.
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I think 100% acceptance is unrealistic
    So? When did the culture war for same sex marriage acceptance begin? At what percent support? At what point is the war over same sex marriage over? What percentage of acceptance?
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    "And as noted, if you try to remove government from the equation, by default you're defeating the anti-SSM side. Thus, removing government does not qualify as a neutral stance upon which everyone can or should agree." I don't see why it doesn't.
    I have already explained why.

    If we privative marriage, then no one can stop two adult males from marrying, or two adult females from marrying. Without government enforcement, no one can mandate or control the use of the terms "marriage" or "civil union." This amounts to the legalization of same-sex marriage, which is explicitly what the anti-SSM folks are fighting.

    Thus... it's not neutral. It's a victory for SSM.

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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    I have already explained why.

    If we privative marriage, then no one can stop two adult males from marrying, or two adult females from marrying. Without government enforcement, no one can mandate or control the use of the terms "marriage" or "civil union." This amounts to the legalization of same-sex marriage, which is explicitly what the anti-SSM folks are fighting.

    Thus... it's not neutral. It's a victory for SSM.
    But if the anti-SSM is against any kind of recognition of same sex relationships, they'll fight this just as hard as they are fighting SSM proposals.

    It's about bigotry; they don't really care if the govt is sanctioning it or their church is sanctioning it or if it's contracts. They don't want same sex couples getting the same rights they have or having their partnerships called the same thing.

    Any rate, I think most of us at this point in this thread are for legalizing SSM; doing it through including them in the definition of marriage is the fastest way to do it, and hopefully will be done in June.

    Those who want to work to get government out of marriage altogether are, of course, welcome to attempt that.

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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    If they can figure out a way for 3 people to get legally married to each other, for whatever reasons (financial or otherwise), I don't see a problem with it.

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