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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    see from 95 on?


    that's that social media, thing I keep tekkubg yoou about, as it plateus, those are your hold outs, about 13% as you noted.

    That's not a relevant amount.
    Yes, 13% is still pretty relevant. It may not do anything when it comes to voting, but still a lot of people, Americans. That is almost 27 million Americans that do not approve of interracial marriages.
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    Yes, 13% is still pretty relevant. It may not do anything when it comes to voting, but still a lot of people, Americans. That is almost 27 million Americans that do not approve of interracial marriages.

    do you really expect 100%?


    ever?
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    do you really expect 100%?


    ever?
    There are far more people who disapprove of interracial relationships than there are those in those types of relationships. In fact, just looking at the percentages, a greater percentage of the population disapproves of interracial marriages/relationships than the percentages of marriages that are interracial, particularly white/black interracial.

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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I don't know how many times I can say it, I don't care who you marry, what your call your marriage.
    Dude? It's not about what YOU want. The changes you want will not stop the political conflicts.


    Sure it does, it takes who gets to tell others who they can marry, out of thier hands.
    No, it doesn't. "Privatizing marriage" solves nothing.

    If we replace formal state marriages with a contract, then who can sign marriage contracts? If we legally restrict the contracts to "one man and one woman," then government is still involved, gays are still treated like second-class citizens, will not have marriage equality, and SSM advocates will still fight.

    If we do not limit those contracts, then government is out of the picture. In turn, this will legalize gay marriage -- and polygamy as well. Social conservatives will not accept this, because yet again... they are fighting against the normalization of homosexuality. They will thus fight against unrestricted marriage contracts.

    Yet again, the problem is not that "government is involved in marriage." The legislatures and courts merely happen to be the playing field. The issue is the normalization and acceptance of homosexuality.

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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Dude? It's not about what YOU want. The changes you want will not stop the political conflicts.
    You just made it about me, I simply corrected you.




    No, it doesn't. "Privatizing marriage" solves nothing.

    If we replace formal state marriages with a contract, then who can sign marriage contracts? If we legally restrict the contracts to "one man and one woman," then government is still involved, gays are still treated like second-class citizens, will not have marriage equality, and SSM advocates will still fight.
    nonsense, 14th amendment for one. adults can engage in almost any contract as long as there is a "meeting of the minds". they can bitch all they want, it will be pointless.

    If we do not limit those contracts, then government is out of the picture. In turn, this will legalize gay marriage -- and polygamy as well. Social conservatives will not accept this, because yet again... they are fighting against the normalization of homosexuality. They will thus fight against unrestricted marriage contracts.

    Yet again, the problem is not that "government is involved in marriage." The legislatures and courts merely happen to be the playing field. The issue is the normalization and acceptance of homosexuality.[/QUOTE]
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Yet again, the problem is not that "government is involved in marriage." The legislatures and courts merely happen to be the playing field. The issue is the normalization and acceptance of homosexuality.

    So you want to legislate tolerance?
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    There are far more people who disapprove of interracial relationships than there are those in those types of relationships. In fact, just looking at the percentages, a greater percentage of the population disapproves of interracial marriages/relationships than the percentages of marriages that are interracial, particularly white/black interracial.

    Interracial marriage in the United States - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia




    that's non responsive, we have 87% approval, you claimed that's not enough, I am asking you if it's realistic to ever expect 100% approval?


    I find 87% suspect personally.


    hell I bet if they polled "do you support any marriage" you'd find 10% that would say "no".
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    nonsense, 14th amendment for one. adults can engage in almost any contract as long as there is a "meeting of the minds". they can bitch all they want, it will be pointless.
    Did you bother to read my post? If we remove government from the process, AND we place no limits on private marriage contracts, the anti-SSM crowd will lose. This is because they do not want any sort of legitimate same-sex marriage at all.

    The fight over SSM is not about semantics, it's not about reducing the role of government. It's about accepting homosexuality.


    So you want to legislate tolerance?


    No, I do not advocate "legislating tolerance." I certainly am not demanding that individuals give their personal blessings to same-sex unions. At no time have I advocated that religious organizations be required to perform SSM ceremonies. There are a wide variety of legal methods to express intolerance for an individual or group, and at no point have I advocated (for example) outlawing any form of speech, or requiring private clubs to be subject to anti-discrimination laws.

    What I want is for homosexuals not to be treated by the state as second-class citizens.

    I.e. please stop trying to hammer round pegs into square holes, kthx.

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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Did you bother to read my post? If we remove government from the process, AND we place no limits on private marriage contracts, the anti-SSM crowd will lose. This is because they do not want any sort of legitimate same-sex marriage at all.

    The fight over SSM is not about semantics, it's not about reducing the role of government. It's about accepting homosexuality.

    I thought it was about equal protection under the law, not an activist crusade to make people accept other peoples lifestyle.





    No, I do not advocate "legislating tolerance." I certainly am not demanding that individuals give their personal blessings to same-sex unions. At no time have I advocated that religious organizations be required to perform SSM ceremonies. There are a wide variety of legal methods to express intolerance for an individual or group, and at no point have I advocated (for example) outlawing any form of speech, or requiring private clubs to be subject to anti-discrimination laws.

    But you wish to pass laws to bring about "Accepting homosexuality". your words.


    What I want is for homosexuals not to be treated by the state as second-class citizens.
    Me too.


    I.e. please stop trying to hammer round pegs into square holes, kthx.
    I'm going by what you post. *shrug*
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    I don't think so. with media, social media, etc, you may have a small group of holdouts, but they will be irrellevent.
    Exactly. Irrelevant. So not on anyone's radar....obviously no ostracized. Not even notable in most cases today.
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