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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    I don't believe that. The anti-gay marriage types use that argument of "the word" as a cover. Many are against anything that even resembles marriage for SS couples. In fact, it's written into the Constitutional bans.

    For example: "Marriage consists only of the legal union between a man and a woman. No other domestic union, however denominated, may be recognized as a marriage or given the same or substantially equivalent legal effect. " Georgia

    "Only a union between one man and one woman may be a marriage valid in or recognized by this state. This state and its political subdivisions shall not create or recognize a legal status for relationships of unmarried individuals that intends to approximate the design, qualities, significance or effect of marriage." -Ohio

    List of U.S. state constitutional amendments banning same-sex unions by type - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    That's just a few of them.

    And your notion about getting "government out of marriage" just isn't going to happen. It isn't. So continuing to push it as a viable option is just a waste of time.
    You may as well be arguing about the weight and dimensions of unicorns.





    funny, in the 80's you could say the same thing about unicorns and gay marriage. *shrug*
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    funny, in the 80's you could say the same thing about unicorns and gay marriage. *shrug*
    Some people were talking about it.

    Who knew it would take nearly 150 years after we were founded to give women the vote?

    Progress for equality takes time. I will admit SSM happened much sooner than most of us expected.

    That said, it really doesn't have anything to do with the fact gov't will never be out of marriage. It was involved in colonial days, and will continue to remain involved.

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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Some people were talking about it.
    Some people are talking about simplification of the tax system and getting the government out of our lives, including this marriage issue.


    Who knew it would take nearly 150 years after we were founded to give women the vote?

    We don't live in those times, things happen much faster these days.


    Progress for equality takes time. I will admit SSM happened much sooner than most of us expected.
    I don't, same with marijuana, the internet (now in control of the government), allows for much faster dissemination of ideas and opinions, combined with social media, the pulse of the nation is known much faster and the ruling class can't lie as well about what people actually want.


    That said, it really doesn't have anything to do with the fact gov't will never be out of marriage. It was involved in colonial days, and will continue to remain involved.


    What did it do in colonial days in regards to marriage?
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    Some people are talking about simplification of the tax system and getting the government out of our lives, including this marriage issue.
    It's much more than taxes. It's inheritance, SS, legal kinship, hospital visitation, spousal immunity in court cases -- all kinds of things, those are just off the top of my head.

    On the order of 1,400 Legal and economic benefits of marriage:
    Legal and economic benefits of marriage
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    "In 2009, the GAO prepared a new list which totaled about 1,100 federal benefits."

    ...

    What did it do in colonial days in regards to marriage?
    Most Colonies banned whites and blacks marrying, for one.
    Age of consent laws is another...Other than that, when a couple was to get married, marriage intentions needed to be filed with the government, sometimes called "banns" - which needed to be announced to the community, so if anyone had an objection they could state it...Contracts regarding dowries were written, husbands were made accountable for supporting the family, when spouses died, transfer of property, etc., etc...

    Gov't has been involved in marriage in America since our earliest days.
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    It's much more than taxes. It's inheritance, SS, legal kinship, hospital visitation, spousal immunity in court cases -- all kinds of things, those are just off the top of my head.

    On the order of 1,400 Legal and economic benefits of marriage:
    Legal and economic benefits of marriage
    +
    "In 2009, the GAO prepared a new list which totaled about 1,100 federal benefits."

    ...


    I'm not sure what you think I am advocating that any of this would be an issue. if you kept ALL the things and apply it to a "Civil union" for all, you'd get the same thing.

    And, yes, if this isn't possible, fight the long fight for gay marriage.


    Most Colonies banned whites and blacks marrying, for one.
    This is a reason to keep marriages in the hands of government?


    Age of consent laws is another...Other than that, when a couple was to get married, marriage intentions needed to be filed with the government, sometimes called "banns" - which needed to be announced to the community, so if anyone had an objection they could state it...Contracts regarding dowries were written, when spouses died, transfer of property, etc., etc...
    Well, I think as we move away from this, the ultimate goal is to get them out of the business all together,. gay marriage or not,.
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Here's another one: Did you know some colonies had bachelor taxes?

    You were taxed by government if you *didn't* get married!

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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Here's another one: Did you know some colonies had bachelor taxes?

    You were taxed by government if you *didn't* get married!


    Today that's called..... "a Girlfriend".....




    I'd also like to add, I also don't care how many wives/husbands of any variety and mixes that someone wants.
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    It still comes down again, as I said then -- arguing over a word - when the word works just fine.

    And no, it is virtually impossible to get government out of marriage.

    And the "long fight" for Marriage Equality will be achieved soon.

    As in ---> Monday, June 29, 2015, shortly after 10:00 am EDT.

    (Give or take a day or two)


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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    no,

    tax issues,
    POA issues
    inheritence issues


    et al. which is why they should be out of it,
    What about tax issues, power of attorney and inheritance?

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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

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    What about tax issues, power of attorney and inheritance?


    What about them?
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