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    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    Good point. people can get married all they want if they aren't doing it through the government. Jump over a broomstick. But they won't get the benefits that legally married couples get. Which may be fine for them.
    Of course, but as the suggestion to get government out of marriage literally only ever comes up during discussions on gay marriage it's obviously a smokescreen. I would be hard put to put it into exact words but if I had to guess, they just don't want to live under a system in which gay marriage is universally recognized as the same as hetero marriage in all fifty states, and that they, also being married under that system, must then somehow be forced to recognize those marriages as equal to their own. If I've got this wrong a bigot is more than free to come in and correct me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Of course, but as the suggestion to get government out of marriage literally only ever comes up during discussions on gay marriage it's obviously a smokescreen. I would be hard put to put it into exact words but if I had to guess, they just don't want to live under a system in which gay marriage is universally recognized as the same as hetero marriage in all fifty states, and that they, also being married under that system, must then somehow be forced to recognize those marriages as equal to their own. If I've got this wrong a bigot is more than free to come in and correct me.
    I agree. The whole "get govt out of marriage" never came up once until gays/lesbians wanted to marry.

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    It's a stupid notion besides.

    Government will never be *out* of marriage.

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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
    so, it's not about two same sex people, loving each other, and having the very same rights a man and a woman has, it's about the word I see. It's more about "winning" the semantics game than equal rights.


    I want everyone treated the same, I don't care personally what the government calls it. But if you removed the government from the equation, it wouldn't be an issue.
    If everyone is allowed to marry, then everyone is treated the same.

    If anyone is trying to win the semantics argument it is those that think it matters what the government calls legal unions of same sex couples. Since it is already legally called "marriage", then it is a stupid waste of time and money to change it to something else just because some people don't like certain groups using that word too. It isn't about "winning" but rather practicality. It cost money to make that change.
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by ReverendHellh0und View Post
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    U.S. state constitutional amendments banning same-sex unions - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    I support gay marriage. I always have, you can search my posts. I simply think that if you get the government out of the marriage business and have it's ONLY role is to register "civil unions" for census or whatever purposes, you take the wind out of the anti-gay marriage bigots.
    There's no reason to change the word.

    How does what I propose do this? anybody is free to call thier whatever, a marriage.
    Great. And if religious folks don't want their union to share a word with those filthy homosexuals, they can call their marriages something else.
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Well... at least you recognize it's a perversion.
    Just as much as straight people marrying...as stated.

    I dont believe it but apparently you believe both are perversions. Not sure why we bother caring about marriage in the US at all then.
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by Visbek View Post
    Georgia, Ohio, North Dakota, Utah, Virginia, Wisconsin, Idaho, North Carolina, Arizona, Kansas, South Carolina, Florida, Alabama, Texas, Michigan, Arkansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, South Dakota, Nebraska all passed laws that restricted marriage to one man and one woman, and also barred any other type of civil union. (By now, most have been found unconstitutional.) Typical language is "A legal status identical or substantially similar to that of marriage for unmarried individuals shall not be valid or recognized."

    List of U.S. state constitutional amendments banning same-sex unions by type - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

    While the handful of libertarian-leaners don't care about SSM, it's pretty clear that many conservatives do not want same-sex civil unions.

    I also think your purported fix is absurd, and fools no one. You want to confer the exact same rights, powers, abilities and meaning to a same-sex civil union, as long as they don't refer to it with the word "marriage?" Great. Does that mean I can snort cocaine, as long as I refer to it as "Bolivian Marching Powder"? Can I solicit a prostitute, as long as I call it "walking the dog?"

    And in terms of government staying out: You can already perform a legally meaningless ritual symbolizing commitment with as many people of whatever gender you want. Utah tried to outlaw such rituals recently (to prevent legally meaningless polygamist marriages) and was shot down in the courts. But...

    Do you not want your spouse to visit you in the hospital? Should your spouse not be empowered to make medical decisions for you, if you are incapacitated? If you divorce in a contentious manner, should the state play no role whatsoever as a neutral arbitrator? Should the surviving spouses of a soldier who is KIA be cut adrift?

    The reality is that we don't live in band-level societies anymore, with informal laws and information institutions. Modern life is too complex, too impersonal, too formalized to merely say "government should stay out of marriage."



    The only absurdity here is your rebuttal. I will re-state my position. I support marriage equality and I don't care who you ****, do "bolivian marching powder" with, or marry. It's none of my business.

    I am also a strong belliever in this government is too large, to convoluted, and too complicated. One such way of simplification it to remove who the government can and can't say who is married, and call EVERYONE a civil union.

    This does a couple things. one it takes the wind out of anti-gay marriage types, (100% of course not but it's a HUGE chunk). now you have "civil unions". states CANNOT deny ones partner from seeing thier loved ones as it would then violate the 14th amendment.


    It's really quite simple, and this fascist style "BELEIEVE AS WE 100% or even though you support gay marriage, you are a homophobe bigot!!!!!" nonsense is the same intolerant crap, you are suppoosedly against.
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    When the anti-gay crowd's argument is reduced to fighting about a noun, you know the battle for them is lost.

    *sigh* I'm sorry I am looking at solutions, compromises, and ways to move forward. Like I said, I support gay marriage and don't care what you call it. I can't repeat that long enough.





    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    what amazes me is the number of people who suddenly started advocating it once gays/lesbians were allowed to marry. Somehow, before that, it never came up. (I don't know if you earlier advocated having civil unions for all; I never saw it being advocated in general until SSM started happening)

    I've been advocating this for years, I am a libertarian. who you marry is none of my business, and getting government out of your businsess here to me is the libertarian solution to this inequality we have.


    2010: (a little bit of a baity thread but I kept it civil. )

    http://www.debatepolitics.com/law-an...post1059100674

    It also alludes to preveious posts for that. There was another forum, I can't remember now, as far back as 2004 I was advocating this. (my entire online forum life).

    so on this forum, easily proven since 2010 here (5 years), you see this is what I advocated, if you feel the need you can search further and find for the last 11 years, I've advocated the same online.


    Pretty selfish. Not wanting to share "marriage" with others. doesn't hurt current marriages to have more people marry.
    I will agian repeat, I don't care what you call it. My position is a solution to get everyone the equal rights they deserve.


    ps - I've ALWAYS hated having govt in the business of marriage licenses; having to "legally" commit to someone to get benefits - and responsibilities. But given that's the way it is, all couples, same gender or opposite genders, should be able to do it.

    I agree, I think changing it all to civil unions takes a big blow to the anti-gay marriage types. That's all I've been saying. remove the government, let them "log" "marrigaes", "civil unions" whatever, but have it have no bearing on anything other than that logging.
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    The government doesn't dictate what is and isn't marriage, actually, it just determines what marriage is if you want its benefits. By all means if you don't want the government marriage don't get it, and get the religious one instead (or the one at Burning Man or whatever). Sure, the government may not recognize it, but if your goal is to not have government in marriage then you've attained that goal, haven't you?
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    tax issues,
    POA issues
    inheritence issues


    et al. which is why they should be out of it,
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    Re: They look like a new boy band... but it's the world's first THREE-WAY same-sex ma

    Quote Originally Posted by roguenuke View Post
    If everyone is allowed to marry, then everyone is treated the same.

    If anyone is trying to win the semantics argument it is those that think it matters what the government calls legal unions of same sex couples. Since it is already legally called "marriage", then it is a stupid waste of time and money to change it to something else just because some people don't like certain groups using that word too. It isn't about "winning" but rather practicality. It cost money to make that change.

    it is about winning. the government shouldn't be in the marriage business, why get tax breaks/penalties because you decided to "marry" someone?
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