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    Re: Colombia detains Cuba-bound Chinese ship carrying arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandokan View Post
    Obama said he wants to take the Castroit regime off terrorism sponsor list. The Obama administration is going to give that too unilaterally, without asking for anything in returned. It is obvious will be done for political reason, not based in what in reality is happening.
    Obama has good company. This is what we want.

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    Re: Colombia detains Cuba-bound Chinese ship carrying arms

    According to U.S. law the Castroit regime cannot be removed from the terrorist sponsor list as long as it support acts of international terrorism. The Castroit regime provide sanctuary to foreign terrorist organizations like Spain’s Basque separatist group, ETA and the Revolutionary Armed Forces of Colombia (FARC). The regimen has been recently involved in arms smuggling. First was the North Korean ship Chong Chon Gang, smuggling weapons to Cuba, and now the Chinese ship Da Dan Xia doing the same. The Obama administration had look the other way in both cases.

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    Re: Colombia detains Cuba-bound Chinese ship carrying arms

    Colombia frees Chinese ship caught carrying weapons illegally
    Colombia frees Chinese ship caught carrying weapons illegally | Reuters


    BOGOTA | BY LUIS JAIME ACOSTA
    April 21, 2015

    (Reuters) - Colombia has authorized a Chinese ship to set sail after it was caught carrying 100 tonnes of explosives to Cuba illegally, the prosecutor's office said on Tuesday, though it CONTINUES to hold the vessel's captain pending a criminal investigation.

    The ship was detained on Feb. 28 after docking in the coastal city of Cartagena on the Caribbean coast. Inspectors FOUND the explosives plus 2.6 million detonators, 99 projectile heads and around 3,000 canon shells on board.

    The DOCUMENTATION presented by the crew said the ship, the Da Dan Xia, was carrying grains.

    A Cartagena-based judge authorized the ship to depart after nearly two months because Colombian authorities do not have the logistical capacity to unload, store or destroy the weaponry found aboard, the prosecutor's office said.

    "The judge considered it necessary to free the ship with all the cargo to not put at risk our coastline or the communities," Vicente Guzman, head of the prosecutor's office for the Cartagena region, told REPORTERS .

    China's Foreign Ministry says the ship was transporting regular military supplies to Cubaas part of its trade and military cooperation with the communist-run island and that it had not violated any international norms.

    The Da Dan Xia is operated by Cosco Shipping Co Ltd [COSCO.UL], part of the state-owned China Ocean Shipping Group Co.

    The producer of the cargo, Norinco, is China's biggest arms maker. A spokesman said after the ship's detention in March that REPORTS of what the ship was carrying were "not true" and that the company sent mainly raw materials to produce bullets.

    The recipient was stated as importer Tecnoimport in the Cuban capital Havana.

    China is the fourth largest arms exporter in the world, ACCORDING to the Stockholm International Peace Research Institute (SIPRI). Its three major customers are Pakistan, Bangladesh and Myanmar.

    China and Cuba have increasingly close BUSINESS ties, as well as political links because of their communist governments, but in Latin America, China is closest to oil-rich Venezuela.

    A North Korean ship was detained in the Caribbean region in July 2013 near the Panama Canal, when it was FOUND to be carrying Soviet-era weapons from Cuba including two MiG-21 jet fighters, hidden under thousands of tonnes of sugar.

    The United States and the United Nations blacklisted two shipping companies they said were trying to hide the arms destined for North Korea. Panama freed the ship and crew to sail BACK to Cuba after most of a $1 million fine was paid.

    (Writing by Peter Murphy; Editing by David Gregorio)
    A judge authorized the ship to depart after nearly two months on the grounds that Colombian authorities do not have the logistical capacity to unload, store or destroy the weaponry found aboard. He considered it necessary to free the ship with all the cargo to not put at risk the coastline or the communities.

    Panama authorities have no problems unloading live munitions and other explosives, missile equipment, MIG fighter jets and other arms aboard the Chong Chon Gang, found hidden under 100,000 tons of sugar. Panama also called in the United Nations Security Council to help search the ship. As can be seeing the Colombian judge reasons are a smoke screen. The real reason are others.

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    Re: Colombia detains Cuba-bound Chinese ship carrying arms

    Lol. Groups/states are added and removed from the list of sponsors of terrorism at political whim.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Colombia detains Cuba-bound Chinese ship carrying arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    Lol. Groups/states are added and removed from the list of sponsors of terrorism at political whim.
    The Obama administration decided to remove the Castroit regime from the list of state sponsors of terrorism. But in order to do that, it has to demonstrate that the regime has not engaged in acts of terrorism in the last six months and it has given assurance will not continuous to do that in the future. Then few days after the removal of the regime from the list, Colombia is freeing the ship with the weapons letting it continuous travel to Cuba.

    If charges have been press, the smuggling of weapons for the FARC would have made Obama’s justification to remove the Castroit regime from the list of state sponsors of terrorism legally unjustified. The explanation given by the Colombia authorities get Obama off the hook.

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    Re: Colombia detains Cuba-bound Chinese ship carrying arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandokan View Post
    The Obama administration decided to remove the Castroit regime from the list of state sponsors of terrorism. But in order to do that, it has to demonstrate that the regime has not engaged in acts of terrorism in the last six months and it has given assurance will not continuous to do that in the future. Then few days after the removal of the regime from the list, Colombia is freeing the ship with the weapons letting it continuous travel to Cuba.

    If charges have been press, the smuggling of weapons for the FARC would have made Obama’s justification to remove the Castroit regime from the list of state sponsors of terrorism legally unjustified. The explanation given by the Colombia authorities get Obama off the hook.
    In my opinion, Obama has never been on the hook with this..........and, most Americans, myself included want Cuba open. I'll be booking my flight to Cuba as soon as possible. Oh, and **** all that fear mongering, with Americas history of using terrorism, regime change, hegemony, imperialism, exploitation, etc., we needn't concern ourselves with trivial Cuban self interests.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Colombia detains Cuba-bound Chinese ship carrying arms

    Take Cuba off the State Sponsors of Terrorism List?
    Take Cuba off the State Sponsors of Terrorism List?

    by George Phillips
    April 28, 2015

    • Let us not give Castro the resources he needs to continue his regime's 56-year reign of terror on his own people, and his continued support for terrorists and terrorist states.

    • To enrich and solidify that dictatorship at this time only prevents the Cuban people from being able to forge a better life through elections in a few years, now that they are finally "on the one-yard line," when the Castro brothers, now in their eighties, could simply be left to their natural, un-bankrolled, ends. In a dictatorship such as this, only the dictators benefit.

    As Sonia Alvarez Campillo was leaving Catholic Mass on July 14, 2013 with fellow members of Ladies in White, her pro-democracy organization, she was assaulted by Raul Castro's agents.
    These "security" agents broke Alvarez Campillo's wrist as well as her husband's ribs in their attack on her and other members of her group.

    Sunday after Sunday in Cuba, the Ladies in White (Damas de Blanco) -- members of a movement started in 2003 by wives and other female relatives of jailed dissidents in Cuba -- have peacefully demonstrated for freedom and human rights in cities across Cuba. They have continually been harassed, beaten, and imprisoned in Raul Castro's Cuba.

    In an attack just two months ago, Lady in White member Digna Rodriquez Ibañez was pelted with tar by agents of the regime.

    The Cuban Commission on Human Rights and National Reconciliation -- an organization of Cuban dissidents that the Castro regime claims is illegal -- reported that in 2014 alone, 1,810 members of the Ladies in White were detained. The detentions of these extraordinary women are among the total of 8,899 detentions evidently designed to crush political dissent. That figure represents a 27% rise from the previous year.

    Oswaldo Paya and Harold Cepero were leaders of the Christian Liberation Movement, a political party opposed to Castro's Communist Party.

    In July of 2012, Cuban state security agents allegedly murdered Paya and Cepero by ramming into their car and running them off the road, where they crashed and died.

    The Cuban government officially claims the crash was an accident. But, as documented in the U.S. State Department's Human Rights Report for 2013, when David Gonzalez Peres, another leader of the Christian Liberation Movement, was arrested, Cuban officials at the jail warned him about what happened to Paya.

    Paya and Cepero were most likely murdered for trying to change a system in which all 612 candidates in a recent Cuban election were members of the Communist Party and ran unopposed, and in which all other candidates had been rejected by the regime.


    Left: Panama Canal inspectors discovered an illegal arms shipmen being smuggled on a ship from Cuba to North Korea, hidden under thousands of tons of sugar, in July 2013. Right: Cuban dissident Digna Rodriquez Ibañez was pelted with tar by agents of the regime, in February 2015.


    Cuba is still a brutal place, with Raul Castro -- who replaced his brother, Fidel, in 2006 -- as a dictator doing everything he can to hold onto power.

    The White House has announced that President Obama plans to take Cuba off the List of State Sponsors of Terrorism. Congress has 45 days to review and reverse this decision.

    Of tremendous concern is Cuba's relationship with Iran -- the world's leading state sponsor of terrorism. The State Department's most recently available State Sponsors of Terrorism Overview for 2013 detailed Iran's vast support for terrorist activities -- including: funding Assad's brutal regime in Syria, where (by that point) 100,000 civilians had died in the ongoing civil war; supporting innumerable terrorists groups that continually attack Israel; supporting rebels trying to overthrow governments in Yemen (now done) and Bahrain; and increasing its presence in Africa.

    Both Iran and Hezbollah, one of its prime terrorist proxies, were shockingly left off last month's annual terrorism threat assessment report to Congress from James Clapper, the Director of National Intelligence.

    Iran-Cuba relations are strong, including an annual Iran-Cuba economic summit. In 2008, former Iranian President Ahmadinejad approved 500 million euros for the Cuban regime and Cuba is training Iranian scientists and sending scientists and researchers to Iran.
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    The Castroit regime human rights violations keeps increasing. The regime keeps the repressive machinery firmly in place. Nevertheless Obama is willing to just look the way, as long as he can get the deal.

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    Re: Colombia detains Cuba-bound Chinese ship carrying arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandokan View Post
    The Castroit regime human rights violations keeps increasing. The regime keeps the repressive machinery firmly in place. Nevertheless Obama is willing to just look the way, as long as he can get the deal.
    There are lots of countries that abuse their own populations, and use terrorism to advance their interests that are not on the list.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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    Re: Colombia detains Cuba-bound Chinese ship carrying arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Sandokan View Post
    The Obama administration want to remove the Castroit regime from the list of states sponsors of terrorism, and the regime is paying back in kind. The regime will have more flexibility to get shipments of all types of war material like gunpowder, guns, shells, detonators, MIGs, missiles among others.
    You live in a country that has more military might than most countries combined and you're going to whine about some tiny nation (that has been attacked before) defending itself. Please keep up the propaganda.

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    Re: Colombia detains Cuba-bound Chinese ship carrying arms

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    There are lots of countries that abuse their own populations, and use terrorism to advance their interests that are not on the list.
    During the month of April, 2015, 552 arbitrary detentions were made and 337 of these serious violations were directed against women, most of them members of the “Ladies in White”, a peaceful dissident group which has suffered an increase of repressive acts against its membership since Obama announced his intention to reestablish diplomatic relations with the Castroit regime.

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