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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    He supports LGBT rights, and the right of states to deny them? Seems a bit contradictory.

    To the rest, wow! He had a big first day as a prospective presidential candidate.
    Dr. Carson is trying to please everyone, the way most politicians perform. However, what's highlighted in Dr. Carson's case, one can plainly see he smacks of evasion. Unknowingly for him, his rhetoric is designed to keep mainstream America away.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Well, walk me through it: if you support the right of states to discriminate against LGBT's, how have you supported the rights of LGBT's?
    I can personally support individuals' attempts to codify rights that aren't obvious or apparent in law, but also respect the constitutional rights of States, if they conflict. That's what the issue is before the Supreme Court at this time, isn't it? If the Supreme Court rules that States have constitutional rights they are trying to enforce, I can respect that ruling while also believing that any State can be wrong in what legislation they adopt and support efforts to change that legislation.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I can personally support individuals' attempts to codify rights that aren't obvious or apparent in law, but also respect the constitutional rights of States, if they conflict. That's what the issue is before the Supreme Court at this time, isn't it? If the Supreme Court rules that States have constitutional rights they are trying to enforce, I can respect that ruling while also believing that any State can be wrong in what legislation they adopt and support efforts to change that legislation.
    You're discussing this in abstract, general terms in order to avoid the fact that its application in this instance can't be applied. So I ask you again: if you support the right of states to discriminate against LGBT's, how have you supported the rights of LGBT's?
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    He explained, "Because a lot of people who go into prison go into prison straight -- and when they come out, they're gay. So, did something happen while they were in there? Ask yourself that question."
    Who says 'they come out gay?' Just because they participate in butt sex in prison...for sex, for favors, for dominance/submission, by force...doesnt mean they 'turned' gay.

    I'd like to see some sources on straight men or women coming out of prison gay. A few? Maybe but people end up significantly changed by that experience anyway, perhaps they just discovered what had been repressed by social conditioning. Happens to people not in jail as well.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    I can personally support individuals' attempts to codify rights that aren't obvious or apparent in law, but also respect the constitutional rights of States, if they conflict.
    States are not allowed to infringe on the rights of individuals so there is no conflict.

    Carson believes that gays should have equal rights but also believes the constitution allows states to infringe on their rights. He also believes that the constitution reserves to states the power to decide social issues. It does not. This misunderstanding of constitutional law renders him ineligible for the presidency
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    You're discussing this in abstract, general terms in order to avoid the fact that its application in this instance can't be applied. So I asked you again: if you support the right of states to discriminate against LGBT's, how have you supported the rights of LGBT's?
    Sorry, I deal in the real world, not in some ideological bubble where all things are decided for me.

    I believe that States have constitutional rights - one of those may be to define marriage as they see fit. I didn't write the constitution and I'm not so presumptuous as to assume I could have done it better. It is what it is and the Supreme Court is the ultimate arbiter of disputes in that regard. I'm fine with that.

    I'm not aware of any document that states or inherent right that's a given, that places the definition of marital status as greater than law. It's why I believe the government shouldn't be in the marriage business and why this fight wouldn't exist if government sanctioned benefits and privileges didn't accrue to those who hold a government sanctioned marriage certificate.

    All that said, if the government is going to continue to be in the marriage business and continue to mete out privileges and benefits based on their piece of paper, then I'm all for any two people entering into such a contract/agreement. I don't, however, believe that the privilege of holding a piece of paper is greater than a State's constitutional rights to legislate.
    Last edited by CanadaJohn; 03-05-15 at 02:10 PM.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    So you want me to not only provide you with links to research but read the research to you also...demand much?
    You made a claim. You are the one that has to support it.

    Otherwise we dismiss it as conjecture or even BS.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Success in a field that requires various types of intelligence certainly does. This isn't like a DP member pretending to be a doctor but displaying biblical levels of stupidity. This is a person who is a demonstrably well respected member of his professional community because the nature of his work requires both versatility and knowledge. Sorry, his comment may be stupid, but Ben Carson certainly isn't.
    I am not certain that his specialty requires much intelligence, though it does require knowledge but that can be aquired through rote memorization which I do not consider a particularly accurate sign of intelligence.

    In addition, there are people who are extremely skilled when it comes to one specific area but fail at nearly everything else that requires more than a minimum of intelligence. Those people are considered cognitively impaired.
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    Justice Thomas' opinions consistently contain precise, detailed constitutional analyses.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    People, all people, sometimes stick their foot in their mouth or screw up saying what they are trying to say. The guy apologized. As far as I'm concerned, this non-issue is officially a non-issue.
    Funny, people still bring up Obama mistakenly saying there were 57 states. Some people swore he didnt know better.

    This entire issue as it appears in various forms re: politicians just shows people will justify anything if they are too rigid in their views regarding party or biases.
    Quote Originally Posted by Bucky View Post
    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
    Quote Originally Posted by applejuicefool View Post
    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    States are not allowed to infringe on the rights of individuals so there is no conflict.

    Carson believes that gays should have equal rights but also believes the constitution allows states to infringe on their rights. He also believes that the constitution reserves to states the power to decide social issues. It does not. This misunderstanding of constitutional law renders him ineligible for the presidency
    To be fair, Carson believes that gays can have equal rights under the law without having the definition of marriage altered to accommodate that equality. Many agree - many don't.

    As for Carson being rendered ineligible to be President if he has a misunderstanding of constitutional law, you'd have to agree that the current President, who's been shot down by the Supreme Court in a couple of instances, should be removed from office.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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