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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Sorry, you have posted nothing that backs up your claim that 90-95% of the people who cast a vote for POTUS do so based on the candidate's opinion on abortion, marriage, or religion.

    I won't report your post that calls me names, which you aren't supposed to do. I didn't call you any names. I asked you to back up your claim, which you didn't. I told you that on this board when we make claims, we back them up when asked. And I also posted an example that included Obama's stance on same sex marriage which proves that your claim that 90-95% of the people who voted for (Obama or Romney) did so because of Obama's (or Romney's) position on same sex marriage, because Obama's stated opinion is the opposite of what you would assume his supporters believe.

    Have a fun day.
    You too have a fun day.

    Again though I provided you support. The fact that you don't like that is a book you have to read and not chart or graph you view I cannot help. I would suggest more reading and less demanding in the future.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    File paperwork to create a presidential exploratory committee on Monday, having to backpedal on Wednesday.

    The clowncar has arrived and the clowns are exiting.
    Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice - NBC News
    Gawd. You can see why the word "neurosurgeon" needs to be tacked on to his name every time he's mentioned. His words are so ignorant they're painful to listen to.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    You have confused personal beliefs with support of states rights. As an example, I oppose government involvement in health care but I support the right of Mass. to enact Romneycare. If the majority of a state want to inflict that on themselves, states rights gives them a choice.
    If you support the rights of states to discriminate against LGBT's, then you must by extension not support the rights of LGBT's. If two parties are directly at odds with each other, it's disingenuous to claim you support both. But I put it less to dishonesty in Carson's case and more to the fact that he probably just isn't very good at thinking around such concepts.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Do you remember what the question was about?

    DADT - a Democrat President's answer to gays in the military. And since it was at that point in time declared unconstitutional by the Supreme Court and repealed by congress, why was it an issue in a Republican Party debate? And why is a person's sexual preference an issue in military service?

    It is unfortunate that a lot of the audience booed the questioner. I believe many were booing the question, however. And you'd be hard pressed to make the argument that Republican voters don't respect the service of men and women of any race or sexual preference in America's armed services.

    But the bigoted part, in case you didn't catch on, is you taking that incident and claiming that "mostly only bigots" vote in Republican primaries.
    No, the supreme court did no such thing, it had *just* been repealed and several of the candidates said they would bring back the old policy (thus the question being asked was not unreasonable). Are you seriously arguing the vast majority of repub primary voters aren't anti gay? The audience also applauded when the imbecile candidates opened their mouth to call repeal of DADT a "special privilege"

    Here's another example: that episode of "family feud" where a contestant said that ellen degeneres "doesn't like our country much", in reaction to the clue that she was a *lesbian* (gasp!), and the audience *applauded* that insanely bigoted comment. Oh go figure, most of the old farts watching daytime game shows are anti gay. Next will you deny this about "duck dynasty" viewers
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    I didn't say they had the power to do anything about rulings they disagree with. Your contention was that the SCOTUS ruling would somehow settle the argument. It has not settled the argument for the VRA, for abortion rights, for campaign finance, for search and seizure, for imminent domain, for guns control...I could go on and on. All of these issues are still Presidential campaign issues.
    Is segregation or interracial marriage still a campaign issue? Can you at least admit not everything from 40 years is still a wedge issue?

    This is about minority rights, not campaign finance. The bigots die off and there, issue is resolved

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Is segregation or interracial marriage still a campaign issue? Can you at least admit not everything from 40 years is still a wedge issue?

    This is about minority rights, not campaign finance. The bigots die off and there, issue is resolved
    Segregation is still issue. I know we would like to think that it is not but it still is. Just wait until Rand Paul garners more support. His past statements on public accommodation will come up. Hell you can look at any number of discussion on this board and find why people think it should be perfectly legal for business to segregate their employees and patrons or not serve some patrons at all. Regardless of what the SCOTUS has ruled.

    You can still find people arguing that the States have the right to deny marriage licenses for any reason including race. While I will admit these are not popular positions by any stretch of the imagination they still play in Presidential politics. There are many on many, especially on the right, that believe States Rights gives individual state the ability to nullify any Federal Law and SCOTUS ruling. Just look at todays news and the majority leader of the US Senate is saying states have the right to nullify federal regulations.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    People, all people, sometimes stick their foot in their mouth or screw up saying what they are trying to say. The guy apologized. As far as I'm concerned, this non-issue is officially a non-issue.
    Don't you feel like you need to ask yourself, "Did Carson walk back on his comment strictly for damage control? Is it more likely than not that he's NOW being dishonest by claiming he didn't mean what he said? Is he truly being contrite? How do you know which version of what he said is actually what he believes?

    Dunno. Or .....

    Is it possible that he made a stab at impressing a select group whose opinions about gays aren't congruent to the public at large?

    It didn't take long for him to discovered that his comment came back and bit him in the ass. So he had to react somehow.

    He hasn't even started yet as a bono fide candidate, and he's already jumped into the proverbial frying pan full of controversial and provocative issues that can easily make or break him. Well, in this case - break him.

    I mean what about this headline?: "Ben Carson: Religion is needed to interpret science because ‘maybe it’s just propaganda’." That's some far out ****, if you ask me.

    It's astounding to me that a man of his background and education would even allow these type things that he's said to roll off of his lips. To me personally, it looks like he thought there would be some kind of political payoff for saying these things - but they backfired.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    No, the supreme court did no such thing, it had *just* been repealed and several of the candidates said they would bring back the old policy (thus the question being asked was not unreasonable). Are you seriously arguing the vast majority of repub primary voters aren't anti gay? The audience also applauded when the imbecile candidates opened their mouth to call repeal of DADT a "special privilege"

    Here's another example: that episode of "family feud" where a contestant said that ellen degeneres "doesn't like our country much", in reaction to the clue that she was a *lesbian* (gasp!), and the audience *applauded* that insanely bigoted comment. Oh go figure, most of the old farts watching daytime game shows are anti gay. Next will you deny this about "duck dynasty" viewers
    My comment in post 42 was bang on - you do still have an abundance of bigoted views to spew out and the day is still young.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If you support the rights of states to discriminate against LGBT's, then you must by extension not support the rights of LGBT's. If two parties are directly at odds with each other, it's disingenuous to claim you support both. But I put it less to dishonesty in Carson's case and more to the fact that he probably just isn't very good at thinking around such concepts.
    Why is it disingenuous or impossible to support two sides of an opposing argument? Do you believe I'm a liar, as an example, when I identify myself as pro-choice in all matters personal but I oppose many forms of abortion and many circumstances under which abortions are conducted?

    You can support someone's or some entity's right to be wrong, can't you?
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Why is it disingenuous or impossible to support two sides of an opposing argument? Do you believe I'm a liar, as an example, when I identify myself as pro-choice in all matters personal but I oppose many forms of abortion and many circumstances under which abortions are conducted?

    You can support someone's or some entity's right to be wrong, can't you?
    Well, walk me through it: if you support the right of states to discriminate against LGBT's, how have you supported the rights of LGBT's?

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