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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    Why would a Supreme Court ruling mean anything. We still debate abortion and that was decided over 40 years ago. What fail to understand that with certain segments of the conservative movement the Supreme Court ruling means nothing. Their interpretation of the Constitution is the only thing that matters.
    Abortion is fundamentally diff because of feuding over the cutoff and other restrictions, as well as new technologies that call into question the parameters of a court decision 40 years ago. I fail to see such ambiguities in SSM rulings. From the start it's been an either/or.

    Also, support for SSM has skyrocketed, while support for abortion rights has been flat. If you ask Ginsburg, the court acted before the public was ready. If you ask me, the public wouldn't reach a consensus on abortion until 2100 regardless. It's just a completely different issue

    But yes i'm sure the crazies will continue to cry about gay rights 40 years from now, but i don't see why every republican candidate will feel compelled to placate them, any more than ben carson is demanding to overturn Brown v Board

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, I asked you to show me something that proves that 90-95% of the people who cast a vote for POTUS are doing so based on that candidate's opinion on abortion, religion and marriage.
    So you want me to not only provide you with links to research but read the research to you also...demand much?

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

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    Success in a field that requires various types of intelligence certainly does. This isn't like a DP member pretending to be a doctor but displaying biblical levels of stupidity. This is a person who is a demonstrably well respected member of his professional community because the nature of his work requires both versatility and knowledge. Sorry, his comment may be stupid, but Ben Carson certainly isn't.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    People, all people, sometimes stick their foot in their mouth or screw up saying what they are trying to say. The guy apologized. As far as I'm concerned, this non-issue is officially a non-issue.


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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

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    Abortion is fundamentally diff because of feuding over the cutoff and other restrictions, as well as new technologies that call into question the parameters of a court decision 40 years ago. I fail to see such ambiguities in SSM rulings. From the start it's been an either/or.

    Also, support for SSM has skyrocketed, while support for abortion rights has been flat. If you ask Ginsburg, the court acted before the public was ready. If you ask me, the public wouldn't reach a consensus on abortion until 2100 regardless. It's just a completely different issue

    But yes i'm sure the crazies will continue to cry about gay rights 40 years from now, but i don't see why every republican candidate will feel compelled to placate them, any more than ben carson is demanding to overturn Brown v Board
    It doesn't matter which issue you bring up. It could be the VRA, Imminent Domain, ACA, Miranda, Gideon I could go on and on and on. The issue is not the individual issue or the individual ruling. The issue is that there is a significant percentage of people out their, mostly on the right but a some on the left, that feel their interpretation of the Constitution trumps all. That if the Supreme Court rules something that they disagree with it just means that the SCOTUS is wrong. It does not mean the issue is settled.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    So you want me to not only provide you with links to research but read the research to you also...demand much?
    You're the one who made the claim, not me. When you say something like that, you have to back it up.

    In 2008 candidate Barack Obama said "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage." I would like you to post something that would back up your claim that 90-95% of the POTUS voters cast their votes based on the candidate's stance on marriage, abortion, or religion. Please show me something that shows that the votes of 90-95% of the voters were impacted by that statement, and how so.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You're the one who made the claim, not me. When you say something like that, you have to back it up.

    In 2008 candidate Barack Obama said "I believe marriage is between a man and a woman. I am not in favor of gay marriage." I would like you to post something that would back up your claim that 90-95% of the POTUS voters cast their votes based on the candidate's stance on marriage, abortion, or religion. Please show me something that shows that the votes of 90-95% of the voters were impacted by that statement, and how so.
    I provided you a link to one of the many sources that use to develop my opinions. I am not going to spoon feed you. Good god you are either really lazy or very demanding or both. How about pick up a book about wedge politics and read it. I gave you link to a very good one. It clarifies why I hold the opinion I do. If you don't think it meets your demands of showing evidence then that is your problem not mine. Why do you feel it necessary that everyone that counters your opinion must spoonfeed you the information. I tell you what if you really want me to I will read the book into my Ipod and post it on itunes as a free podcast. Will that satisfy your ridiculous demand????? Thought not...please do your own research and reading. I can provide you all the source material you want but I won't spoon feed it to you.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    I provided you a link to one of the many sources that use to develop my opinions. I am not going to spoon feed you. Good god you are either really lazy or very demanding or both. How about pick up a book about wedge politics and read it. I gave you link to a very good one. It clarifies why I hold the opinion I do. If you don't think it meets your demands of showing evidence then that is your problem not mine. Why do you feel it necessary that everyone that counters your opinion must spoonfeed you the information. I tell you what if you really want me to I will read the book into my Ipod and post it on itunes as a free podcast. Will that satisfy your ridiculous demand????? Thought not...please do your own research and reading. I can provide you all the source material you want but I won't spoon feed it to you.
    Ah, so it was your opinion that 90-95% of the voters vote for the POTUS candidate based on the candidate's opinion on abortion, marriage and religion, and you have nothing to back that up, and you can't even answer how 90-95% of the voters who voted in 2008 chose to vote for or not vote for Obama based on his anti-SSM stance. And you're mad that there's this little thing that people do on here, which is expecting people who make claims will back them up. Got it.

    I think you stumbled into the wrong board. See, if I posted something like "95% of the Romney voters cast a vote in 2008 for the candidate they chose because Obama opposed same sex marriage", not only would I be asked to explain that - I'd be laughed right off the board.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by smb View Post
    It doesn't matter which issue you bring up. It could be the VRA, Imminent Domain, ACA, Miranda, Gideon I could go on and on and on. The issue is not the individual issue or the individual ruling. The issue is that there is a significant percentage of people out their, mostly on the right but a some on the left, that feel their interpretation of the Constitution trumps all. That if the Supreme Court rules something that they disagree with it just means that the SCOTUS is wrong. It does not mean the issue is settled.
    So what if they do? They are powerless without a critical mass of support, and a SCOTUS ruling on top of that makes the opposition completely impotent. Look at segregationists today to see what will become of the ben carsons 40 years from now

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    I'll ignore all the insults and gratuitous comments directed at a man who's had a distinguished career in medicine and decided late in life that offering his services to his country would be a good way to give back for the gifts and benefits his life in America has given him.

    Secondly, I personally wish people would stop apologizing for stating how they feel. Either have the intestinal fortitude to stick by your opinions or don't bother expressing them. Likewise, not all people will like you or support you no matter what you do or say so stop trying to pander to those who only want to destroy you. Suck it up and simply state, "that's my opinion, I'm entitled to it, and if you don't like or support it, you're entitled not to".

    Finally, I wish Dr. Carson had decided to seek a lower office as his first foray into politics. As a doctor, I'm sure he didn't jump right into operating on conjoined twins as his first endeavour. Likewise, opting to jump into a Presidential race as your first shot is the height of hubris and a sign of poor judgement, also not a good fit for the Presidency.
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