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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Actually, it had nothing to do with whether Carson could personally oppose gay marriage. It was about his claim that believed gays should have equal rights *and* that states should be able to deny them their rights. Those two beliefs of his contradict each other
    Why do these fools believe the middle ground will please anyone anyway? The extremists voting in the repub primary are not going to be impressed by "they should have equal rights" or leaving it up to states for that matter. They want a federal law banning SSM period

    And those voting in the general election who actually favor gay rights will not be moved by calls to allow alabama to oppress its gay citizens

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    For someone who likes to cite the 10th Amendment -- perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the 9th and 14th.
    You can read a newspaper and see how this works in the real world. Not all states grant the right for gays to marry. The reason for that is states rights. The Feds don't have the authority to interfere with states authority to regulate marriage. That fight is being fought in state legislatures. Familiarize yourself with that.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    incorrect ...rights are only recognized by the constitution.


    privileges are granted by government......privileges in other words are.....civil rights, and legal rights.

    rights [natural] are negative law

    privileges are positive law..or codified law
    Where do you think the constitution came from?
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Where do you think the constitution came from?
    the constitution does not grant you any rights.......it only recognizes rights exist.

    the constitution only delegates POWERS to the federal government..article 1 section 1 clause 1

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by ernst barkmann View Post
    the constitution does not grant you any rights.......it only recognizes rights exist.

    the constitution only delegates POWERS to the federal government..article 1 section 1 clause 1
    You made me happy. I was afraid that you didn't know the constitution came from government.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    You can read a newspaper and see how this works in the real world. Not all states grant the right for gays to marry. The reason for that is states rights. The Feds don't have the authority to interfere with states authority to regulate marriage. That fight is being fought in state legislatures. Familiarize yourself with that.
    It's legal in 37 states right now. Buck up. SCOTUS is going to rule in June SSM is constitutional in every state.

    Invest heavily in tissues, fainting couches 'n pearls -- prepare to clutch, cause baby -- its acoming.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    It's legal in 37 states right now. Buck up. SCOTUS is going to rule in June SSM is constitutional in every state.

    Invest heavily in tissues, fainting couches 'n pearls -- prepare to clutch, cause baby -- its acoming.
    I don't care where it's legal or illegal. SCOTUS isn't supposed to legislate FYI. All they can do is uphold or overturn State law. It's that old states rights thing.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    I don't care where it's legal or illegal. SCOTUS isn't supposed to legislate FYI. All they can do is uphold or overturn State law. It's that old states rights thing.
    Case law.

    "Familiarize yourself with that."

    The Constitution and it's case law are inseparable,

    The Constitution is the skeleton -- case law is the flesh.

    *That's* what gives SCOTUS the power to rule SSM Constitutional. It's going to happen.

    You're going to have to come to terms with that.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    You made me happy. I was afraid that you didn't know the constitution came from government.
    guy the constitution is not a statute.

    Statutory law or statute law is written law (as opposed to oral or customary law) set down by a legislature (as opposed to regulatory law promulgated by the executive or common law of the judiciary) or by a legislator (in the case of an absolute monarchy).[1] Statutes may originate with national, state legislatures or local municipalities. Statutory laws are subordinate to the higher constitutional laws of the land.

    rights are negative / unwritten law

    the bill of rights are declaratory and restrictions clause on the federal government not to create laws, which would violate the recognized rights of people

    bill of rights preamble.
    The U.S. Bill of Rights

    The Preamble to The Bill of Rights

    Congress of the United States
    begun and held at the City of New-York, on
    Wednesday the fourth of March, one thousand seven hundred and eighty nine.

    THE Conventions of a number of the States, having at the time of their adopting the Constitution, expressed a desire, in order to prevent misconstruction or abuse of its [federal] powers, that further declaratory and restrictive clauses should be added: And as extending the ground of public confidence in the Government, will best ensure the beneficent ends of its institution.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    Windor's failure to describe SSM as a fundamental right is due to the fact that such a description was completely unnecessary and irrelevant to the issue before the court
    No, it is due to the fact that Anthony Kennedy and the other justices on the Court understand constitutional law very well and do not want to embarrass themselves by making ridiculous claims. The claim that a right of homosexuals to marry each other is both "deeply rooted in this Nation's history and traditions" and "essential to a scheme of ordered liberty" is so utterly mindless that none of them would ever let their names be associated with it. As Justice Scalia noted in his dissenting opinion, any claim that same-sex marriage meets those standards, which the Court applies in determining whether a right is fundamental, would be "quite absurd."

    That is exactly why Kennedy has been careful to avoid any discussion of fundamental rights or heightened scrutiny in all three of his "gay" decisions--Romer v. Evans, Lawrence v. Texas, and Windsor v. U.S. He has his reputation and credibility to consider. It's good for a laugh to watch posters here who don't even know the ABC's of constitutional law desperately making up nonsense to try to support something so ludicrous that every justice on the Supreme Court knows better than to even suggest it. There is not a snowball's chance in hell that if and when the Court decides a same-sex marriage case, it will be a substantive due process decision involving fundamental rights and strict scrutiny. That is exactly the kind of decision Roe v. Wade was, and the last thing the Court wants is to lay another egg like Roe.[/QUOTE]

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