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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    At the time you entered it the question was wether Carson could personally oppose gay marriage but support the states right to legislate it. Some people, including you, couldn't understand the dicotomy.
    Your and others' inability to explain that dichotomy clearly (instead of simply regurgitating the same old platitudes on state rights) tells me you don't know how it operates either. But your inability to answer it is, in fact, answer enough, and confirms the ridiculousness of Carson's comment.

    Yes, yes, go ahead and tell me I just don't get it, or that "you answered it already" without specifying how or where, or tell me how state rights works, or that gay marriage doesn't interest you, or just post a random cat video to switch it up a little. Anything but actually address the question directly.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Chainsaw View Post
    Actually the constitution is intended to limit the FEDERAL governments rights and powers.
    No, it explains and quantifies the Federal government's rights and powers. This semantic difference is important. That you wouldn't understand something as basic as this can help to explain your confusion in the gay marriage conflict.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    The Supreme court has stated, repeatedly, that marriage, not certain types of marriage, but simply marriage itself, is a fundamental right. They have not stated only certain types of marriage is a fundamental right.
    Good luck briefing your case.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Your and others' inability to explain that dichotomy clearly (instead of simply regurgitating the same old platitudes on state rights) tells me you don't know how it operates either. But your inability to answer it is, in fact, answer enough, and confirms the ridiculousness of Carson's comment.

    Yes, yes, go ahead and tell me I just don't get it, or that "you answered it already" without specifying how or where, or tell me how state rights works, or that gay marriage doesn't interest you, or just post a random cat video to switch it up a little. Anything but actually address the question directly.
    Please go back and read how I answered your question.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    States have rights, see tenth amendment. That's why you don't have a federal drivers license.
    States don't have "rights." People have rights.

    States have powers or authority.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    States don't have "rights." People have rights.

    States have powers or authority.
    If you have something to add, become familiar with the nomenclature. States' rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    If you have something to add, become familiar with the nomenclature. States' rights - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Because people use the term does not change the fact: States don't have "rights." People have rights.

    States have powers or authority.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Paperview View Post
    Because people use the term does not change the fact: States don't have "rights." People have rights.

    States have powers or authority.
    If you want to exchange ideas you can't do it by making up definitions for terms used in the conversation which are different than the ones used by others. In this thread we are using the phrase states rights as defined in the Wiki link I posted. Hope you can deal with that.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Good luck briefing your case.
    I am not briefing a case. I understand why your example of 9 year olds marrying fails, and what the various rulings on SSM say. I might suggest reading those rulings, you could learn allot.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    At the time you entered it the question was wether Carson could personally oppose gay marriage but support the states right to legislate it. Some people, including you, couldn't understand the dicotomy.
    Actually, it had nothing to do with whether Carson could personally oppose gay marriage. It was about his claim that believed gays should have equal rights *and* that states should be able to deny them their rights. Those two beliefs of his contradict each other
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