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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Instead of just repeating that assertion over and over, back it up by showing us where the Supreme Court has ever so much as suggested there is a fundamental right to any form of marriage other than that between one man and one woman. You can't, because it never has.

    Windsor v. United States was a 2013 case which involved the effect of part of the Defense of Marriage Act on the estate tax owed by a woman upon the death of the woman she'd been married to. Even in Windsor, the Court did not claim that same-sex marriage met its standard for fundamental rights. Under that standard, a right must be both "deeply rooted in this Nation's history and tradition" and "essential to a scheme of ordered liberty." And it had good reason not to. As Scalia notes, it "would of course be quite absurd" to claim either.
    Windsor is irrelevant because it does not address the issue (ie if people of the same sex have a right to marry) at all. The issue in that case is whether the Fed govt has the power to discriminate between marriages that a state does allow. Windor's failure to describe SSM as a fundamental right is due to the fact that such a description was completely unnecessary and irrelevant to the issue before the court

    Citing the fact that Windsor doesn't state that SSM is a fundamental right to argue that it is not is as silly as stating that Marbury v Madison does not state that SSM is a fundamental right
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by AlbqOwl View Post
    I doubt any American has ever elected a President who agreed with that American on every issue. I really don't CARE what a candidate's personal position is on abortion or the death penalty or guns or gay marriage or evolution/creationism or any other controversial topic that gets tossed around on message boards.

    What I want to know is if the candidate believes it is the federal government's prerogative to order such things. If he does, even if I agree with his position, I will consider him unsuitable for office. If he does not, then we're good to go.
    He gets to pick SCOTUS nominees so yeah, it's a safe bet that would be a litmus test for any repub elected in 08-2012, since they were all deathly opposed to gay rights whenever the topic came up (and often when it didn't). Fortunately that did not come to pass

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by matchlight View Post
    Instead of just repeating that assertion over and over, back it up by showing us where the Supreme Court has ever so much as suggested there is a fundamental right to any form of marriage other than that between one man and one woman. You can't, because it never has.
    Perhaps you can cite the case in which they did say it was only between a man and a woman. Of course you can not because it never did, but i 14 cases dating back as far as 1888 it did say it was a personal choice.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    I'm involving myself in a conversation about states rights. You've injected gay marriage into what I was talking about. I know exactly what the question is. I've addressed it more times than I care to repeat. Your determination that there is an inherent contradiction is based on your opinion of Dr. Carson and gay marriage. My opinion about states rights is more dispassionate.
    Ah, I see. Here, let me help with that by copying and pasting the thread title: "Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice." All this time you've just been in the wrong thread.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    States do not have rights - see civil war. They can only ratify amendments. And really, this is the 50th anniversary of the brutality in Selma and you want to defend "states' rights"?
    States have rights, see tenth amendment. That's why you don't have a federal drivers license.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    States have rights, see tenth amendment. That's why you don't have a federal drivers license.
    Yes, states have rights. And those rights have limits.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Ah, I see. Here, let me help with that by copying and pasting the thread title: "Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice." All this time you've just been in the wrong thread.
    At the time you entered it the question was wether Carson could personally oppose gay marriage but support the states right to legislate it. Some people, including you, couldn't understand the dicotomy.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    File paperwork to create a presidential exploratory committee on Monday, having to backpedal on Wednesday.

    The clowncar has arrived and the clowns are exiting.
    Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice - NBC News
    Lets be clear, only about half the inmates were able to choose if they wanted to be gay in prison.
    The Gruber-crat is strong in this one!

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Yes, states have rights. And those rights have limits.
    Actually the constitution is intended to limit the FEDERAL governments rights and powers.
    The Gruber-crat is strong in this one!

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    States have rights, see tenth amendment. That's why you don't have a federal drivers license.
    Only because the fed hasn't decided to strip the states of that power, as with everything else

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