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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    the fact that "you people" base your votes on someone's stance on whether you are born gay or not........it's a perfect example of why you people are a danger to the health of the country. I mean, honestly, who bases their vote on that?! This guy could have every fix for the economy in his back POCKET and you wouldn't vote for him because of this dumb crap. unbelievable. and the rest of us have to try and argue with "you people" and rationally explain that their are a HUNDRED bigger problems to deal with that effect MANY, MANY more citizens than just the gay community. insane
    False choice. First of all, I don't see anything in Carson's record that even hints that he's has the fix for the economy in his back pocket - I'm guessing that I'll disagree with his economic stances as much or more than I do with his stance on homosexuality. And there is a very high correlation between liberal views on social issues and liberal views on economics, and vice versa.

    Besides, social issues are wedge issues for both sides. For every liberal who will NOT vote for Carson because of his views on gays, there is a conservative who WILL support him for the same stance. Same with guns, abortion, religion, etc.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Marriage isn't a right anymore than healthcare is a right.
    It is a recognized right in the US. You can disagree with it being a right, you can think it should not be, but legally it is a right until you either get the Supreme Court to declare that it no longer is, or amend the constitution. Saying that it is not a right is kinda ignorant.
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    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Only if you are so arrogant to believe your view and vantage point on the issue is the only way anyone else can possibly think

    If one believes marriage is a fundamental right, and believes that homosexuals deserve equal constitutional rights, the fact they can get married can mean they have "equal rights" to you. Nothing constitutionally has been established that there's a constitutional right to a specific type of marriage or ANYTHING a to do with "who you love", only that there's a right to the concept of marriage. It's perfect logical for someone to square those two thoughts away by telling themselves that since gays can get married in the same fashion as everyone else then they have equal rights with everyone else as it relates to the "right" of marriage
    and again, it is a well defined constitutional doctrine that the govt can infringe or limit a right only when it has a legitimate interest in doing so. So far, none of the opponents of SSM have been able to identify a legitimate governmental interest in denying same sex couples the right to marry.

    Protecting the word marriage? Not a legitimate governmental interest

    Protecting children? SSM doesn't harm children.

    Protecting religion? SSM doesn't harm religion.

    If you know of a legitimate governmental interest that is furthered by prohibiting SSM's, please let me know what is is.
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    the vast majority of folks that need healthcare are on Medicare.. both rich and poor..

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    The reason I started this thread was that it has to be the weirdest start to a political campaign of filing paperwork to create a presidential exploratory committee and then two days later already having to apologize for something he said.
    All candidates misspeak and from time to time have to correct themselves. But in this case the guy isn't even out of the stall and having to backpedal. If this is any indication of his campaign then it will provide comedy. Probably this is just revealing that this guy has never ran for a political office before amd cannot just speak without a prepared speech.
    Carson should not have caved.

    The scientific evidence that homosexuality is an inborn trait is poor.
    Most self avowed gay men have a sexual relationship with a woman at some point in their lives.
    More men are self avowed bisexual than homosexual.
    There are more self avowed straight married men who have occasional sexual contact with the same sex than there are self avowed homosexual and bisexual men.
    The idea that homosexuals are all born that way and can't help it is political fiction.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Carson should not have caved.

    The scientific evidence that homosexuality is an inborn trait is poor.
    Most self avowed gay men have a sexual relationship with a woman at some point in their lives.
    More men are self avowed bisexual than homosexual.
    There are more self avowed straight married men who have occasional sexual contact with the same sex than there are self avowed homosexual and bisexual men.
    The idea that homosexuals are all born that way and can't help it is political fiction.
    None of which makes his comment any more accurate or less stupid. He was poorly prepared for handling a question outside his comfort zone and did not handle it well. While the research on the topic has not shown yet what exactly determines orientation, the one thing that pretty much all research shows is that choice is the least likely answer.
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    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Carson should not have caved.

    The scientific evidence that homosexuality is an inborn trait is poor.
    Most self avowed gay men have a sexual relationship with a woman at some point in their lives.
    More men are self avowed bisexual than homosexual.
    There are more self avowed straight married men who have occasional sexual contact with the same sex than there are self avowed homosexual and bisexual men.
    The idea that homosexuals are all born that way and can't help it is political fiction.
    I don't think anybody has said every homosexual is born that way, but there sure are a lot of bigoted christians claiming all homosexuals aren't born that way. The real question is why any of you give even the slightest **** as to what other people do with their genitals.

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    Marriage isn't a right anymore than healthcare is a right.
    Since you think it's not a right does that mean you would be completely ok with it if we banned all christians from marrying? Apparently if it's not a right that means we can give and take it away arbitrarily.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    the one thing that pretty much all research shows is that choice is the least likely answer.
    Yet very often which sex a person happens to be relating to has more to do with opportunity than anything else. That is to say, a lot of people go whichever way depending on what's available.

    Male sexuality is fluid, not static, according to Camille Paglia:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xXThqohiZo

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by LowDown View Post
    Yet very often which sex a person happens to be relating to has more to do with opportunity than anything else. That is to say, a lot of people go whichever way depending on what's available.

    Male sexuality is fluid, not static, according to Camille Paglia:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2xXThqohiZo
    Who you have sex with, and what your orientation are, are two different things.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fiddytree View Post
    Uh oh Megyn...your vagina witchcraft is about ready to be exposed.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Redress View Post
    Who you have sex with, and what your orientation are, are two different things.
    Well, that shoots a big hole in the idea that choice isn't involved, if I catch your meaning.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by JoeTrumps View Post
    the fact that "you people" base your votes on someone's stance on whether you are born gay or not........it's a perfect example of why you people are a danger to the health of the country. I mean, honestly, who bases their vote on that?! This guy could have every fix for the economy in his back POCKET and you wouldn't vote for him because of this dumb crap. unbelievable. and the rest of us have to try and argue with "you people" and rationally explain that their are a HUNDRED bigger problems to deal with that effect MANY, MANY more citizens than just the gay community. insane
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    We’ll say what? Something like “nothing happened” ... Yeah, we might say something like that.

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