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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

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    Fourteen times since 1888, the United States Supreme Court has stated that marriage is a fundamental right of all individuals. In these cases, the Court has reaffirmed that “freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage” is “one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause,” “essential to the orderly pursuit of happiness by free men,” and “sheltered by the Fourteenth Amendment against the State’s unwarranted usurpation, disregard, or disrespect.”
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Right...because the best he can expect is a handful of votes in the primaries..

    As educated a she may be, Sarah Palin has a better chance of being president, I do not know why you people have to go on advertising him....maybe it takes your mind off lyin Hillary
    The reason I started this thread was that it has to be the weirdest start to a political campaign of filing paperwork to create a presidential exploratory committee and then two days later already having to apologize for something he said.
    All candidates misspeak and from time to time have to correct themselves. But in this case the guy isn't even out of the stall and having to backpedal. If this is any indication of his campaign then it will provide comedy. Probably this is just revealing that this guy has never ran for a political office before amd cannot just speak without a prepared speech.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    The guy is confused and would not make a decent President. What is worse, he also doesn't have a backbone.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    Um, okay. I was responding to the idea that one can support both state rights (that discriminate against LGBT's) and LGBT rights, which are incompatible.
    Did you oppose the war in Iraq and support the troops? Would you rather not wear a seat belt but wear one because the state says you must? Do you oppose the KKK but understand the government protects their free speech. Is the Westborough Church allowed to protest their lunacy because their free speech rights are protected? Life is full of situations where we personally oppose activities which are protected by the state. When we do this, we respect the supremacy of governments power to organize society while we disagree with what that power enforces.

    I don't support Obama's illegal alien policy but I have to accept it because I have now power to stop it. My belief is incompatible with the actions of the state. Doesn't make me a hypocrite. Likewise, it's possible to support states rights but disagree with states on issues.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    The reason I started this thread was that it has to be the weirdest start to a political campaign of filing paperwork to create a presidential exploratory committee and then two days later already having to apologize for something he said.
    All candidates misspeak and from time to time have to correct themselves. But in this case the guy isn't even out of the stall and having to backpedal. If this is any indication of his campaign then it will provide comedy. Probably this is just revealing that this guy has never ran for a political office before amd cannot just speak without a prepared speech.


    So the point is comedy?

    The point I think is the usual smear to take attention away from the other carnivals happening now, Hillary had no emails, honest. Oops, there are 50,000 that she just didn't remember in that silly blonde head of hers. Obama is chasing red lines, then he isn't, then he is, then it's debate over what to call the enemy....and meanwhile, we just executive order our way to new and higher taxes to pay for all this largess....all while Americans are being killed

    This buffoon hasn't sent anyone to their death.....and will never have the chance

    Have a good laugh at this guy, as many are laughing at your country. That's where the comedy really is...
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post

    Regardless of how SCOTUS rules, if marriage is a fundamental right (and it is) and if gays should have equal rights (and Carson believes they do) then denying them the right to marry is a denial of equal rights.
    Only if you are so arrogant to believe your view and vantage point on the issue is the only way anyone else can possibly think

    If one believes marriage is a fundamental right, and believes that homosexuals deserve equal constitutional rights, the fact they can get married can mean they have "equal rights" to you. Nothing constitutionally has been established that there's a constitutional right to a specific type of marriage or ANYTHING a to do with "who you love", only that there's a right to the concept of marriage. It's perfect logical for someone to square those two thoughts away by telling themselves that since gays can get married in the same fashion as everyone else then they have equal rights with everyone else as it relates to the "right" of marriage

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Only if you are so arrogant to believe your view and vantage point on the issue is the only way anyone else can possibly think

    If one believes marriage is a fundamental right, and believes that homosexuals deserve equal constitutional rights, the fact they can get married can mean they have "equal rights" to you. Nothing constitutionally has been established that there's a constitutional right to a specific type of marriage or ANYTHING a to do with "who you love", only that there's a right to the concept of marriage. It's perfect logical for someone to square those two thoughts away by telling themselves that since gays can get married in the same fashion as everyone else then they have equal rights with everyone else as it relates to the "right" of marriage
    You'll have to explain how that view squares with Loving v. Virginia. Whites could marry whites, blacks could marry blacks. So the Virginia law clearly passes your test with flying colors. But the Virginia law was struck down - do you disagree with that ruling?

    And even if there was some legal basis to conclude that gays have no actual right to get married, it simply isn't logical to support that by stating the irrelevant fact that a gay man can marry a woman and that this arrangement provides a gay couple with "equal rights" to straight couples. For the "right" to marriage to have ANY meaning at all, it must include the right to marry the spouse of YOUR choice, the person you love and want to spend a lifetime with.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    This states the issue pretty clearly - from your link:

    Cleveland Board of Education v. LaFleur, 414 U.S. 632, 639-40 (1974): “This Court has long recognized that freedom of personal choice in matters of marriage and family life is one of the liberties protected by the Due Process Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment.”

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Evidently you don't have a complete grasp of states rights. Any individual has the right to hold beliefs which are in disagreement with the state.
    I think the point is if one says the state can violate a 'right' then it's not a right at all but a privilege. Imagine if I said I believe in the right to bear arms, but also the right for the state to prohibit the lawful ownership of firearms. It's just a weasel way of saying that I don't actually believe that individuals have any such rights, and that gun ownership is a privilege to be granted or not by the state at its discretion.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    the fact that "you people" base your votes on someone's stance on whether you are born gay or not........it's a perfect example of why you people are a danger to the health of the country. I mean, honestly, who bases their vote on that?! This guy could have every fix for the economy in his back POCKET and you wouldn't vote for him because of this dumb crap. unbelievable. and the rest of us have to try and argue with "you people" and rationally explain that their are a HUNDRED bigger problems to deal with that effect MANY, MANY more citizens than just the gay community. insane

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