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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Evidently you don't have a complete grasp of states rights. Any individual has the right to hold beliefs which are in disagreement with the state.
    Yes they do. That would be supporting LGBT rights and not supporting the states to limit that their rights.

    As I explained, if he's for LGBT rights, it's hypocritical to support the right of the states to limit LGBT rights. If one truly is for LGBT rights.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Cardinal View Post
    If you support the rights of states to discriminate against LGBT's, then you must by extension not support the rights of LGBT's. If two parties are directly at odds with each other, it's disingenuous to claim you support both. But I put it less to dishonesty in Carson's case and more to the fact that he probably just isn't very good at thinking around such concepts.
    I support the right of states to govern themselves in every area that isn't in conflict with constitutionally mandated Federal responsibilities. I believe that the states have the right to outlaw the marriage of children or animals because there is no Federal mandate to regulate marriage. The lack of a Federal mandate gives them authority to regulate all marriage.

    It's also fine with me if the states deregulate marriage all together. I really don't care who marries who as long as children and animals are protected. Marriage doesn't define relationships, they are defined by honesty, trust, commitment and love. All this other **** is just a side show.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    I support the right of states to govern themselves in every area that isn't in conflict with constitutionally mandated Federal responsibilities.
    So you support the "right" of states to infringe on the rights of their people? And you are against the federal government stepping in if such an incident occured? What if the roles were reversed and states were taking away gun rights and the federal government were trying to step in and enforce the 2nd amendment? What then?

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Yes they do. That would be supporting LGBT rights and not supporting the states to limit that their rights.

    As I explained, if he's for LGBT rights, it's hypocritical to support the right of the states to limit LGBT rights. If one truly is for LGBT rights.
    Sorry, I will never be able to help you understand how you could oppose gay marriage and also support the states right to support gay marriage or vice versa. You just said that individuals have the right to disagree with the state but think it's hypocritical when they do. I can't argue with that logic.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    So you support the "right" of states to infringe on the rights of their people? And you are against the federal government stepping in if such an incident occured? What if the roles were reversed and states were taking away gun rights and the federal government were trying to step in and enforce the 2nd amendment? What then?
    Yes I do. I support the right of states to infringe the right of others to take my private property. I support the right of the state to infringe on the right of others to drive too slowly on interstate highways. I won't play what if games when it comes to violating the bill of rights. Words mean things.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Yes they do. That would be supporting LGBT rights and not supporting the states to limit that their rights.

    As I explained, if he's for LGBT rights, it's hypocritical to support the right of the states to limit LGBT rights. If one truly is for LGBT rights.

    Is that even possible and expect to get away with it? That would be exhausting.

    That's the old, "be all things to all people" sort of deal. If that's not enough to draw skepticism, don't know what is.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    Yes I do. I support the right of states to infringe the right of others to take my private property.
    Do you support the right of states to infringe on gun rights, parental rights, and religious rights?

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Yes they do. That would be supporting LGBT rights and not supporting the states to limit that their rights.

    As I explained, if he's for LGBT rights, it's hypocritical to support the right of the states to limit LGBT rights. If one truly is for LGBT rights.
    I've found that's the new way for social conservatives to stay in office during these times of increased social tolerance. If you're a federal elected official, "just let the states handle it" is an easy copout.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by TeleKat View Post
    Do you support the right of states to infringe on gun rights, parental rights, and religious rights?
    If you actually read what I've written, with respect to rights, some rights are protected by the Federal government. The Bill of Rights outlines some of those protections. The founders left what is not protected Federally up to the states. Justice Louis Brandeis said that states are the laboratories of democracy. That which is not a Federal responsibility was left to the states. Your question by the way is silly.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by sawdust View Post
    If you actually read what I've written, with respect to rights, some rights are protected by the Federal government. The Bill of Rights outlines some of those protections. The founders left what is not protected Federally up to the states. Justice Louis Brandeis said that states are the laboratories of democracy. That which is not a Federal responsibility was left to the states. Your question by the way is silly.
    So the federal government can only protect the first ten amendments of the constitution? What about the 14th, which mandates equal treatment under the law? And not only that but enforcement of said equality treatment is specifically delegated, in the amendment itself even, to the federal government.

    So it's not silly, it's a legitimate question.

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