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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    So your mind alternates between attraction to opposite sex and attraction to same sex, got it!

    You're making the class mistake of conflating same sex acts and same sex attraction.
    Nonsense.. I described the exact situation when exactly that occurs. If a man or a women for that matter is in jail and chooses to have sex with another of the same sex, are they not attracted to each other? What does love have to do with it?




    This is kind of disturbing...i dunno about you but i don't experience 'uncontrollable rage' just cause of crap on tv.

    I don't think you understand that the sex drive is quite different and not dependent on any trigger really. It's not like if i were put in a padded cell i would stop having homosexual thoughts. No amount of staring at tits or even sex with females will do the trick either. The urges come consistently, with or without provocation. It's just not the same as getting upset at crap on the news
    Yes, but these are intrinsic desires that are biological in nature, the urges are independent from our choice in what pleases us. These are socially manufactured and as of yet, not entirely understood.




    no, we are the ones making a distinction between gay thoughts and acts, just like you have murderous thoughts but don't (i hope) commit murder
    Gay thoughts and gay acts are the same thing. My state of mind is the same whether I'm thinking about it or acting it out, my brain is behaving and lighting up exactly the same way.






    This is quite possibly correct that, for some at least, lesbianism is more fluid. I suppose it has to do with the effect of hormones in the womb being different (androgen vs estrogen or whatever)

    But it begs the question, which I posed.





    Sweeping generalizations like this don't help. For some it might be, probably somewhere in the middle of the sexuality continuum, while for others, it definitely is not fluid. I've never been attracted to females, for instance, so where is the fluidity in that? Where is the choice in that?
    The choice, as it were, may not be something you can remember, or pinpoint, but I believe that one was certainly made for you at some point in your life. Young boys are especially susceptible to outside stimulus, and there can be many factors that play into it. I will admit, it isn't anywhere near understood, but the brain does work in very mysterious ways, and we're just scratching the surface of the surface right now. Everyone has different upbringings, and like fingerprints no two are the same which adds to the complexities of finding correlations from one experience to the next, but there is defiantly something that triggers the brain to escape from its observably normal biological evolutionary path.

    I don't profess to know, but the subject is fascinating to me, like many enigmas in human evolution.

    Good talk!

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    You're reaching... and badly so.

    7,600 is no small sample. It included all Swedish twins. Same mother... same womb service... same exposures.

    Any "deviations" would be statistically insignificant, that is why they studied "identical twins".
    No, because 'identical' was always a misnomer. The minnesota study found a 50% concordance among so-called identical twins, but half that among fraternal, similar to various other traits. But you are simply drawing conclusions in a self confirmation bias manner. The Swedish researchers did not interpret their findings as you do:

    "The authors indicate that hormones in utero could be an aspect of the non-shared environment....We know, for example, that if one identical twin has a congenital major brain anomaly such as microcephaly (being born with a very small cortex), the other twin is usually normal. Obviously, this is due to some kind of prenatal environmental factor or event. (It can’t be genetic, because they have the same genes.)" - Swedish twin study: Q & A with J. Michael Bailey

    But of course, more recent research indicates that these twins are not in fact "identical" : "Maybe we shouldn't call them identical twins," Harvard's Bieber says. "We should call them 'one-egg twins.'"

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    Okay...just checking.

    Is it really that much of a leap for me? Uhmmmmm...is that a wee bit of sarcasm being thrown my way?

    But at least I did post something with a little bit more scientific spin on it. See post #196, which is the OPINION by the American Psychological Association regarding "Sexual Orientation".

    Check it out and see if it's too much of a leap for you.

    Otay?
    Do you honestly think I would enter a conversation and present an opinion or theory not often seen and controversial, if I had no idea what the general consensus was among the light science communities?

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Do you honestly think I would enter a conversation and present an opinion or theory not often seen and controversial, if I had no idea what the general consensus was among the light science communities?

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    Okay...thanks.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    3/5/2015

    another day in my life, I woke up and I chose to have a heterosexual orientation . . . . man . . its tiring making that choice all the time
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    The choice, as it were, may not be something you can remember, or pinpoint, but I believe that one was certainly made for you at some point in your life. Young boys are especially susceptible to outside stimulus, and there can be many factors that play into it. I will admit, it isn't anywhere near understood, but the brain does work in very mysterious ways, and we're just scratching the surface of the surface right now. Everyone has different upbringings, and like fingerprints no two are the same which adds to the complexities of finding correlations from one experience to the next, but there is defiantly something that triggers the brain to escape from its observably normal biological evolutionary path.

    I don't profess to know, but the subject is fascinating to me, like many enigmas in human evolution.

    Good talk!

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    So at an age i was so young i wouldn't even remember, and despite being raised in a homophobic setting where the subject was taboo

    How can we be influenced into permanent adult orientations at a young age when we don't even have a sex drive? The only way this makes sense to me is if our brains are wired in such a manner before we're born, and there is increasing evidence of this

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

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    3/5/2015

    another day in my life, I woke up and I chose to have a heterosexual orientation . . . . man . . its tiring making that choice all the time
    Ben Carson
    Lol...yup, funny...I woke up today and made the same choice.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Where do you see some kind of social advantage? Why would a young teenager in podunkville make a 'socially conscious choice' to be ostracized to no end? That just doesn't make sense
    Why did you as a kid (Assuming you're from my generation) never admit to masturbating when asked? By the way, the choice for boys occurs much younger than it does for young girls, so by their teenage years, you effectively have no choice in the matter. But I would note that I am already seeing a trend in this conversation and I wonder if you or anyone else has picked up on it? Ah hell, I'll just tell you because I have to log off for a while. Notice we're no longer talking about homosexuality in terms of biology, but rather sociology. I find that intriguing, even if means nothing at all.

    Unlike many who try to deny homosexuality hasn't existed forever, I am quite different. I think that it might indeed have for any number of reasons, however back then our social evolution was way behind our biological evolution; not so today, and through the last 10,000 or so. I suspect it might have something to do with the mechanism in the brain for how we choose our friends. Again, I have no evidence of this, I'm really just hypothesizing because I like to discuss the matter without the mud slinging (Although I am quite capable of slinging mud if prompted) and as I stated, the brain works in mysterious ways, where we have only begun to understand the basics.


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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    So at an age i was so young i wouldn't even remember, and despite being raised in a homophobic setting where the subject was taboo

    How can we be influenced into permanent adult orientations at a young age when we don't even have a sex drive? The only way this makes sense to me is if our brains are wired in such a manner before we're born, and there is increasing evidence of this
    We have a sex drive at birth. We learn about sex and how the urges interact with our world, and we never stop learning that until we die. Seriously? Did you just ask me that? Sorry missed that last part of yours. Now you're on to what I have been saying for years. It is commonly understood that our prefrontal cortex is fluid until about age 18 - 21 for boys, and ages 20 -25 for women. This is the reason center in our brain, it is how we decide what is good and what is bad, or what makes sense and what does not. It's also closely associated with our pleasure center, which correlates well with my hypothesis. Look, you don't have to agree with me, I haven't presented any material evidence to support my claim, but it doesn't mean we can discuss it with each other respectfully.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Lol...yup, funny...I woke up today and made the same choice.
    Only have a half day of work tomorrow, maybe I'll try out that gay thing. See if I like it.
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