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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by prometeus View Post
    What is more astounding is that this did not come from the average ignorant politician, but from a physician turning politician.


    Other doctors playing politicians have said plenty of things just as stupid.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    I know what I wrote and I also know that McCain lost, he didn't win. So how did Palin help him ?
    Yes, you really are that intellectually bankrupt.

    You make a claim, I rebut it... proving you wrong, then you pull a greasy move to try and weasel out of it.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    It's obvious... you ignore science in an attempt to fulfill your idea(ology) of the world.

    I told you some points ago, those junior high tactics have no place here. It's not about me and my choices.

    A study of 7,600 Swedish identical twins reveals truths about choice.

    Your ideology doesn't allow you to accept it because it upsets your world view. That's a typical Lib trait, and a terrible one for anyone who has anything to do with science to embrace.
    So, talking about me instead of the discussion....yeah, that's not an avoidance tactic. /sarcasm

    Ok. Well, if you want to discuss like an adult, why not just answer my simple question: did you choose to be straight?
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So, talking about me instead of the discussion....yeah, that's not an avoidance tactic. /sarcasm

    Ok. Well, if you want to discuss like an adult, why not just answer my simple question: did you choose to be straight?

    I took your challenge, care to answer me, Lursa?

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Captain America View Post
    People, all people, sometimes stick their foot in their mouth or screw up saying what they are trying to say. The guy apologized.
    As far as I'm concerned, this non-issue is officially a non-issue.




    For some people it will never be a non-issue and they will remember this.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So everyone is mad because he said that gay sex in prison if proof that being gay is a choice. Okay. Maybe I missed the scientific studies that were done on why people engage in homosexual sexual activities in prison that either back him up or prove him wrong. I missed them.

    Barack Obama said marriage should only be between a man and a woman. That's much better, because he never mentioned that he had proof of that.

    Lesson to future politicians - never say "I have proof" or else the opposing party will be very upset. Say whatever you want about your opinion, though.
    Well, I agree the "PROOF" part really was a bad way to take on that issue.

    But let my repost the following from a previous post in this thread that states what the American Psychological Association says about "Sexual Orientation":

    The American Psychological Association notes that while there is "there is no consensus among scientists" on how sexual orientation develops, few individuals experience a "sense of choice" on the matter.

    Sexual orientation refers to an enduring pattern of emotional, romantic and/or sexual attractions to men, women or both sexes. Sexual orientation also refers to a person's sense of identity based on those attractions, related behaviors and membership in a community of others who share those attractions. Research over several decades has demonstrated that sexual orientation ranges along a continuum, from exclusive attraction to the other sex to exclusive attraction to the same sex.

    However, sexual orientation is usually discussed in terms of three categories: heterosexual (having emotional, romantic or sexual attractions to members of the other sex), gay/lesbian (having emotional, romantic or sexual attractions to members of one's own sex) and bisexual (having emotional, romantic or sexual attractions to both men and women). This range of behaviors and attractions has been described in various cultures and nations throughout the world. Many cultures use identity labels to describe people who express these attractions. In the United States the most frequent labels are lesbians (women attracted to women), gay men (men attracted to men), and bisexual people (men or women attracted to both sexes). However, some people may use different labels or none at all.

    Sexual orientation is distinct from other components of sex and gender, including biological sex (the anatomical, physiological and genetic characteristics associated with being male or female), gender identity (the psychological sense of being male or female)* and social gender role (the cultural norms that define feminine and masculine behavior).

    Sexual orientation is commonly discussed as if it were solely a characteristic of an individual, like biological sex, gender identity or age. This perspective is incomplete because sexual orientation is defined in terms of relationships with others. People express their sexual orientation through behaviors with others, including such simple actions as holding hands or kissing.

    Thus, sexual orientation is closely tied to the intimate personal relationships that meet deeply felt needs for love, attachment and intimacy. In addition to sexual behaviors, these bonds include nonsexual physical affection between partners, shared goals and values, mutual support, and ongoing commitment. Therefore, sexual orientation is not merely a personal characteristic within an individual. Rather, one's sexual orientation defines the group of people in which one is likely to find the satisfying and fulfilling romantic relationships that are an essential component of personal identity for many people.


    APA Understanding Sexual Orientation
    The lines I bolded in red in the piece out of APA, I believe shoots down Carson's proof - if their description has any credibility at all.

    Prison sex just doesn't fit those descriptions for men who consider themselves to be heterosexual, but have a homosexual experience or experiences in prison. And who only have heterosexual relationships outside of prison.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    So, talking about me instead of the discussion....yeah, that's not an avoidance tactic. /sarcasm

    Ok. Well, if you want to discuss like an adult, why not just answer my simple question: did you choose to be straight?
    You're the one who claimed to be the biologist. I observed not a rather professional mindset for one... ignoring the results of a scientific study of 7,600 pairs of identical twins, specifically related to whether homosexuality is a choice or not.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    Other doctors playing politicians have said plenty of things just as stupid.
    Are you offering this as a bit of trivia or as an excuse?

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    Or he has bad advisers who didn't think through the issues that will come up right out of the gate.
    ugh, lol if thats the case they need fired immediately
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    The answer is that we are all predisposed to be straight. Evolution chose our sexuality, however, somewhere along the line our social evolution allowed us more liberties, where our sexual urges were not dealt with by our built-in self gratification mechanism, but instead consciously and consensually and in some cases without consent, on others. Masturbation is generally agreed upon by most biologists and anthropologists to be a vestige (Yes they actually use that word) of our ancestral lack of mates at any given moment throughout history. It was a way of us to cope with our needs and urges without upsetting the social hierarchy. It was an evolutionary advantages for us, and a necessary one. I think it still is, but I do understand how many might think of it as a vestige leftover in our DNA.

    That said, it is typically not in dispute that we evolve socially much faster than we have biologically, and as a result for anyone that thinks about this in more objective scientific terms, it's not hard to make the logical connection why some might assume homosexuality is more a socially conscious choice than it is anything related to our biological and evolutionary disposition.


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    Interesting answer but not one I've seen supported in any professional medical journals. I agree that we are all predisposed to be 'straight' when sperm meets egg but there are many influences on the mother during pregnancy, causing releases of hormones and other substances during stresses (probably at very specific points in development), that can cause a change. And this affects other things besides sexual orientation. It's very possible similar things affect autism and ADHD, for example. (includes other environmental effects too, like exposure to certain chemicals, things she eats/drinks,nicotine etc)

    And sexuality and libido occur on a range. It's more fluid in some people. Just like there is a range of heights for men and women, yet you can still generalize and say that men are taller than women. Some people are strongly influenced by their sexuality and some are not. Some are almost at the mercy of their bodies when it comes to having sex and others dont miss it all all....some people can be bis-sexual simply because their preference for either gender is not that strong. Or more so for one than the other but enjoying sex in general overcomes any social conditioning to just forbid oneself.
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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