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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by chromium View Post
    Nah, they won't because mostly only bigots vote in the repub primary

    Religion has this curious effect of making people who are otherwise brilliant and dedicated adherents of scientific method into mideast goat herders from 2000 years ago, when it comes to certain subjects - and this is one of those

    In other words, he's dumber than a lobotomized monkey


    What Carson has achieved so far in his life is ample proof that he's not dumb but there are some things that he knows less about than he thinks he knows.

    And he just opened up his mouth and talked about one of them.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Gina View Post
    I thought about that in the instant I hit submit. If those are truly his beliefs, I totally agree he should voice them and not lie.

    I still think he and his advisers should think through and prepare answers that are not unnecessarily offensive, that could result in a walk back of something he said. Like the comments he apologized for.
    I personally don't think he should be running for office at all. I've been saying for the last year that he's not a politician. I don't think he has what it takes to lie, cheat, pontificate, etc. But I'm not sure how much less offensive to people he's going to be on this issue anyway. He doesn't approve of gay people, and I don't see that ever changing. There's not really a way he can sugar coat that to make it appealing to many.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    That does not mean that the individual unborn absorbed or were affected the same way by the influences.
    You're reaching... and badly so.

    7,600 is no small sample. It included all Swedish twins. Same mother... same womb service... same exposures.

    Any "deviations" would be statistically insignificant, that is why they studied "identical twins".
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by shrubnose View Post
    What Carson has achieved so far in his life is ample proof that he's not dumb but there are some things that he knows less about than he thinks he knows.

    And he just opened up his mouth and talked about one of them.
    I respectfully disagree. He has called evolution 'propaganda.' I dont believe he hasnt learned about evolution...I believe that he learned it and then chose to ignore it or deny it based on religious belief alone. I believe he's aware of the professionally published information on both sides of the debate if being gay is a choice or not. I believe he made the same choice there.

    Yes, that is a personal choice. And my personal *belief* and *opinion* is that willful denial or manipulation of science, esp. based on religion, is a real flag in ANY person in a position of power.

    And I am a religious person.

    Edit: Er, I went off on a bit of a tangent not directly in response to you post. Sorreh!
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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    You're reaching... and badly so.

    7,600 is no small sample. It included all Swedish twins. Same mother... same womb service... same exposures.

    Any "deviations" would be statistically insignificant, that is why they studied "identical twins".
    No, not reaching for anything.

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    I have felt pain when I was in the womb. So when you say they are incapable of feeling pain, that is based on junk science.
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    A murderer putting a bullet through someone's brain is a medical procedure too.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    You know what, I've humoured you this far, but I'm sick of it and I don't give a flying **** what you think of my opinion and I'm not going to spend another moment of my day amending and correcting your bastardization of what I post. Read my posts, agree or disagree, or ignore them - I don't care.

    Have a good day.
    I sure will now that I don't have to read that exchange.


    t occurs to me that this is one of the more active threads and has been since it started. It has encompassed the full gamut from "what about Bush, Sarah Palin, evolution, and gay whatever....I mean in my world no one gives a **** whether it is a choice or not. People are what they bloody well are.

    But the real fascinating point, awesome really, that we have arrived here, inevitable for sure, in a thread about a Republican black man, who has about as much chance of being president as Justin Trudeau in Canada, who has said only that he wants to raise money to see about running for president in an election that is two years away.

    Some one is very edgy, to say the least, about what is happening in the Republican camp
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Actually, Carson's argument, even though he never meant it this way, is an illustrative way to show these or those that think homosexuality is the same as being a race or gender, need only ask themselves whether going to jail could in any way force someone to go black, if white, or turn female if male?

    Often on these forums those that are in support of gay rights will say that being gay is a state of mind, as if this actually has any material or practical meaning within the proper syntax and understanding of linguistics. A state of mind is always fluid, almost never static, and ones state of mind is wholly dependent on the circumstances and influences they are embroiled in. For instance, I'm not a murderer, and I have never killed anyone (that's my story and I'm sticking to it ), however, sometimes when I watch the news, or I encounter evil, I have often placed myself in that mindset whereby, I actually think if presented with the opportunity, I would indeed take someone's life. Anger, emotions, rage, all of which are uncontrollable urges we have no real understanding of, but at the time, other than actually taking action, I am for all intents and purposes a murderer, or someone capable of it. This is what a state of mind means in any context, and syntax is properly established and logical, however, until I actual do take action I am not a murderer, but the narrative from the gay left is that, regardless, I am still a murderer just like whether I was actually being gay or acting gay.

    Illogical, right? You betcha, not only is it illogical, it psychological gobbily goop, or word-speak! In order to be defined as something, one needs to actually do that something, but how does anyone know without knowing the mind of the individual? The answer is we define them by their actions at any given moment. Outside of rape, a man consensually having sex with another man, or women having sex with another woman is by all measures acting in a way that defines them as gay. An urge of sexual gratification can be handled simply by self-pleasuring, but no, in jail or anywhere else, the urge for self pleasure or pleasure seems to only be satisfied by the action of homosexuality. The leap from sexual need turns from an urge to a conscious choice, and the pattern or made by which it manifest isn't nearly as important that the leap is what defines our state of mind at the time.

    It's why some younger females experiment with bi-sexuality or exclusive lesbianism, and why some men do at early ages, but what I find curious is that, boys who experiment seem to adopt the almost always exclusive homosexual identification, whilst young ladies, either adopt an adult bi-sexuality (until later in life where they ultimately choose one or the other but rarely both) or heterosexuality, with only a very small margin of those younger females that experiment choose or adopt an identity that is exclusively homosexual. The differences in the sexes and sexuality is often overlooked in psyche circles, why? I have no real way of knowing, but I suspect that it feels uncomfortable for them to explore with the intuitive answer being females can choose their sexuality more often than not, whilst men seem to not be as so fluid, suggesting that, at least with females sexuality is a choice. Something I suspect leaves psychologist and apologists really confused.

    I believe that sexuality is glaring more or less complex in women in that they appear to have a better handle over it, whereas with men, it seems to get them early and sticks more often than not. I have my theories as to why, mostly in prefrontal context development between the sexes, but nothing I can prove conclusively. The inescapable fact is though, that sexuality to one degree or another is fluid, somewhat of a choice, and defined by ones state of mind at any given moment.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It has nothing to do with my agreeing with either. Marriage between 2 same sex people is wrong? That's opinion. And yes, I objected to his opinion.

    Gay being a choice: not an opinion so believing it is either willful or unintentional (based on religious belief...fine, same difference)...ignorance.

    Ha ha ha...I was going to use an example like: if his opinion is that the sky is purple and not blue....is he wrong or that's 'just his opinion.'

    And then I remembered that stupid thing going around about the dress! LOL
    Some people see the sky as purple. I don't even know what "blue" is except what I think it is. For all I know I see it differently.

    My point is Carson has an opinion that is probably the result of his religious beliefs. Obama also invoked God at different times when he said that about marriage. Carson's opinion that being gay is a choice is no more harmful than the POTUS candidate displaying and articulating a clear opposition to SSM, which is what Obama did. Yet I believe a lot of people still voted for him in spite of that.

    OMG are you talking about the "is it blue and black or white and gold" thing with the dress? I'll bet that was emailed to me at least 20 times by different friends and shared on my FB page 220 times. I was ready to find that dress and kill it with a pair of scissors. Argh!
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I personally don't think he should be running for office at all. I've been saying for the last year that he's not a politician. I don't think he has what it takes to lie, cheat, pontificate, etc. But I'm not sure how much less offensive to people he's going to be on this issue anyway. He doesn't approve of gay people, and I don't see that ever changing. There's not really a way he can sugar coat that to make it appealing to many.

    Hope all is well with you Shoelady!
    I don't disagree with any of that. I didn't think it was a good idea for him to run either. He may be popular on the talk circuit, but that doesn't translate to being electable or even a viable candidate to compete.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by zimmer View Post
    It must be a sad existence living a life of misinformation.

    Here...let me help you:


    McCain didn't move into the White House in 2009, so Palin didn't help him win.

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