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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If I understood that ruling correctly, DOMA was only partially struck down, as it relates to denial of federal benefits for those in same sex marriages. It did not guarantee a right to same sex marriage, it only provided that in States where same sex marriage is legal, those who are married under those laws cannot be denied federal marriage benefits.

    Because of this ruling, I would agree that it's likely that the court will now rule that SSM is a right in all States because of equal protection rights. But the court has not, as yet, made such a ruling.
    The important thing to note with respect to this issue and DOMA, is that DOMA neither allows nor prohibits same sex couples from marrying each other. Because it does neither, challenges to that law do not raise the issue of whether a state can deny the right to marry to couples of the same sex.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

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    One is an opinion (Obama) and was accurate at the time in almost all the US, and one is ignorance in the face of fact (Carson).
    And neither determines whether the person is stupid or not. Perfectly rational people believe silly things. There are incredibly rational members on this forum who believe vaccines have a link to alzheimer's. Other members on this forum have degrees in science but happen to be libertarians. Again, your personal beliefs on a single subject do not determine your level of intelligence.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Won't hurt him. Social conservatives will view it as curtailing what he really believes to win moderate votes and moderates will forget about it in a week.
    The good thing is that he will keep on saying stuff like this.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    The important thing to note with respect to this issue and DOMA, is that DOMA neither allows nor prohibits same sex couples from marrying each other. Because it does neither, challenges to that law do not raise the issue of whether a state can deny the right to marry to couples of the same sex.
    Personally, I think as I noted in my comment to Critical Thought that this previous Supreme Court ruling on DOMA will open the way to requiring all States to recognize SSM because access to federal benefits should not be denied in one State while available in another.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    It's a circular argument, and I'm getting dizzy. If you want my response, just revert back to what I said previously and carry on.
    There's nothing circular about repeating the relevant points in order to show how the other points are irrelevant

    Marriage is a fundamental right. This is a fact, and I've shown that SCOTUS has stated this.

    Carson believes that gays should have equal rights. This (ie "should have") is an opinion, but it is a fact that this is his opinion.

    If gays should have equal rights, and marriage is a right, then gays should have the right to marry. It is a contradiction to claim you both support equal rights *and* the power of states to deny some people their rights.

    There's no getting around that. If you're getting dizzy, it's from trying to find a way around this.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Peter King View Post
    The good thing is that he will keep on saying stuff like this.
    If this thread is evidence then it will just be dismissed as "gotcha" journalism.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Personally, I think as I noted in my comment to Critical Thought that this previous Supreme Court ruling on DOMA will open the way to requiring all States to recognize SSM because access to federal benefits should not be denied in one State while available in another.
    Even more importantly is that the ruling stated the denying the benefits to SSM couples is a form of gender discrimination which served no legitimate governmental interest. That same line of thinking is why the court will invalidate any and all SSM bans.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    File paperwork to create a presidential exploratory committee on Monday, having to backpedal on Wednesday.

    The clowncar has arrived and the clowns are exiting.
    Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice - NBC News
    If it is not a choice, then identical twins would both be gay or not. And boom goes that theory.

    With all the problems our country faces, with the massive debt, weakened military, terrorists gaining strength and expanding their territorial gains, Iran on the verge of getting nukes, this is what really matters to Leftists?

    Of course... they need some sideshow to divert the ignorant from the really important stuff.

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    The good thing is that he will keep on saying stuff like this.
    Peter, in your quote, didn't the Mayor of Rotterdam tell them to **** off?
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Originally Posted by CanadaJohn

    Excellent and thanks.

    However, if it's settled law, why is the Supreme Court taking up the issue rather than simply vacating any lower court ruling to the contrary?
    Because there is a Circuit Court split on the matter -- and that's what they generally do when there is a split.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Crosscheck View Post
    True, it will not change one vote for or against him. It just shows how this guy is not ready for prime time. But he promises to bring some comedy to the doldrums of this electrion
    Obama is less than eloquent without a teleprompter too. I have views on many issues that will not fit on a bumper sticker. But campaigning is theater played for the voting public which tends to have a short attention span and no taste for nuance. This is only an issue for those who wouldn't vote for him anyway. Interesting enough, the same people who make a big deal about this will not comment on "At this point what difference does it make", or "We have to pass it so we can see what's in it."

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