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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    Excellent and thanks.

    However, if it's settled law, why is the Supreme Court taking up the issue rather than simply vacating any lower court ruling to the contrary?
    It doesn't matter. That doesn't change the contradiction in Carson's position. He believes that states are allowed to deny people their rights.

    This is a fundamental misunderstanding about how our constitutional system of law works.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    One is an opinion (Obama) and was accurate at the time in almost all the US, and one is ignorance in the face of fact (Carson).
    more importantly.. one is a Democrat, the other is a Republican.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    See post 91
    91 doesnt answer my question

    But I answered your question. Do me the courtesy of returning the favor.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It doesn't matter. That doesn't change the contradiction in Carson's position. He believes that states are allowed to deny people their rights.

    This is a fundamental misunderstanding about how our constitutional system of law works.
    he's right.. .states ARE allowed to deny marriages licenses...though some states outlaw denying them based on sexuality ( which he also supports)

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    DOMA. Until it was struck down, the issue was not considered a federal question.
    If I understood that ruling correctly, DOMA was only partially struck down, as it relates to denial of federal benefits for those in same sex marriages. It did not guarantee a right to same sex marriage, it only provided that in States where same sex marriage is legal, those who are married under those laws cannot be denied federal marriage benefits.

    Because of this ruling, I would agree that it's likely that the court will now rule that SSM is a right in all States because of equal protection rights. But the court has not, as yet, made such a ruling.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by CriticalThought View Post
    Won't hurt him. Social conservatives will view it as curtailing what he really believes to win moderate votes and moderates will forget about it in a week.

    I agree. Although, I agree too it's hypocritical. You can't say you support LGBT people and the states to decide because well look at where we are now.... I am glad he apologized for saying being something is a choice. That's a good thing because maybe someone else might think about it if it's something from someone who used to think one way and changed his mind about it. I hope he's sincere about it though.... that will help even more. But if one person's mind is changed from this person's public speaking about it well that is a good thing.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    One is an opinion (Obama) and was accurate at the time in almost all the US, and one is ignorance in the face of fact (Carson).
    In 2008 it was accurate to state that marriage was only between a man and a woman (translation - no marriage for gay people)? I must be ahead of my time, because in 2008 that isn't what I believed. And that doesn't excuse him, does it? Obama made a statement based on his own beliefs/bias/whatever, like Hatuey said. It was an opinion, and Carson's opinion is just an opinion. Neither are/were right, but one has said his opinion changed, and the other hasn't, although he just said it the other day, and Obama said he opposed gay marriage for many years.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    Well it's implied here:
    Well, you were wrong.




    Quote Originally Posted by Lursa View Post
    It's not completely accurate, since some proposed CUs did offer all the same benefits and privileges...basically everything but the title 'marriage.'

    That's how 'separate but equal' is relevant to that 'workaround' to gays marrying.
    So, in other words, my comment was correct, discounting your false implication.
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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by CanadaJohn View Post
    If I understood that ruling correctly, DOMA was only partially struck down, as it relates to denial of federal benefits for those in same sex marriages. It did not guarantee a right to same sex marriage, it only provided that in States where same sex marriage is legal, those who are married under those laws cannot be denied federal marriage benefits.

    Because of this ruling, I would agree that it's likely that the court will now rule that SSM is a right in all States because of equal protection rights. But the court has not, as yet, made such a ruling.
    True. There is plenty of precedent that marriage is a fundamental and Constitutionally protected right. What is under debate is whether marriage extends to same-sex couples.

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    Re: Dr. Ben Carson Apologizes For Saying Being Gay Is a Choice

    Quote Originally Posted by sangha View Post
    It doesn't matter. That doesn't change the contradiction in Carson's position. He believes that states are allowed to deny people their rights.

    This is a fundamental misunderstanding about how our constitutional system of law works.
    It's a circular argument, and I'm getting dizzy. If you want my response, just revert back to what I said previously and carry on.
    "Liberals claim to want to give a hearing to other views, but then are shocked and offended to discover that there are other views." William F. Buckley Jr.

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