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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

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    So the politically correct thing to do is to stop enforcing these laws in predominately black communities?

    I thought that was tried and cries arose from the communities to return the police patrols and enforcement to their communities.

    No, the politically correct thing to do is stop giving white people a "warning" while arresting black people as often as possible. The part you're missing is this: it's not that the police encounter 11.5 times more black people who possess marijuana. The issue is that upon encountering one white person and one black person who both possess marijuana, the black person is 11.5 times more likely to be arrested.

    White teenager caught vandalizing something gets brought home to mom and dad. Black teenager caught vandalizing something gets brought to jail.

    Arrest more white people and I bet you see penalties for marijuana possession drop quickly.
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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

    Quote Originally Posted by eohrnberger View Post
    So the politically correct thing to do is to stop enforcing these laws in predominately black communities?

    I thought that was tried and cries arose from the communities to return the police patrols and enforcement to their communities.
    I think the politically correct thing to do is consistently enforce laws without taking race into consideration. If you are going to arrest a black man for having a little bit of marijuana, then arrest a white person for having a little bit of marijuana. Better yet, don't arrest a black man for having a little bit of marijuana. Don't arrest black people at 11.5X the rate that you arrest white people for, and remember that this is what i'm talking about, NON-VIOLENT crimes. Filling prisons up with black men who have not committed violent crimes is incredibly stupid and only perpetuates the racial divide in America.
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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

    The Justice Department's report on Ferguson is scathing - Business Insider

    Internal communications indicate the extent to which the city is preoccupied with revenue generation: "Unless ticket writing ramps up significantly before the end of the year, it will be hard to significantly raise collections next year," the city's finance director wrote in one email to Police Chief Jackson. "What are your thoughts? Given that we are looking at a substantial sales tax shortfall, it’s not an insignificant issue"
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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    I think the politically correct thing to do is consistently enforce laws without taking race into consideration. If you are going to arrest a black man for having a little bit of marijuana, then arrest a white person for having a little bit of marijuana. Better yet, don't arrest a black man for having a little bit of marijuana. Don't arrest black people at 11.5X the rate that you arrest white people for, and remember that this is what i'm talking about, NON-VIOLENT crimes. Filling prisons up with black men who have not committed violent crimes is incredibly stupid and only perpetuates the racial divide in America.

    How do you not arrest a race if that race is responsible for the lion's share of the crime? Look, we have the same problem with First Nations, due to a lot of complex circumstances some dating back decades [we had a form of 'slavery' into the late 1960's with residential schools] they commit the greater amount of crime by degrees of magnitude than any other race.

    Do you just not arrest them? No, and our courts went progressive and set limits on incarceration which mean a lot of very bad people were out on the street. Now, we have band [tribal] courts that get results and don't imprison. the crime rate is coming down, but the ratio remains extreme and will likely do so for generations to come.
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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    You might gain some insight if you see it from the other side.
    I don't consider myself to be closed-minded at all and I don't think I have a problem seeing it from the other side. The issue isn't usually the police officers themselves, it's the systematic way that race is used to determine whether or not laws will be enforced. A documentary that deals with this issue and spends a lot of time following law enforcement in is The House I Live In, which you can watch on Netflix if you'd like to see this issue from the other side. The documentary demonstrates that we have used to war on drugs to make billions of dollars off of our prisons system, even though the prison system is not at all effective at treating drug use or drug addiction. It also shows how poor black communities are targeted by law enforcement. It makes a very compelling argument.

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    How do you not arrest a race if that race is responsible for the lion's share of the crime? Look, we have the same problem with First Nations, due to a lot of complex circumstances some dating back decades [we had a form of 'slavery' into the late 1960's with residential schools] they commit the greater amount of crime by degrees of magnitude than any other race.

    Do you just not arrest them? No, and our courts went progressive and set limits on incarceration which mean a lot of very bad people were out on the street. Now, we have band [tribal] courts that get results and don't imprison. the crime rate is coming down, but the ratio remains extreme and will likely do so for generations to come.
    I just discussed this. Black people don't use marijuana at 11.5X the rate white people use it. Another poster had statistics saying the rate of marijuana use is lower among black people than for white people. But we do arrest black people at 11.5X the rate as white people for marijuana possession.
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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

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    That's racist, right?
    Not necessarily. It would depend on the reason they were being arrested at a higher rate. If say Joe a white man is pulled over and caught with a joint but had no previous encounters with police the officer may let him off with a warning. However if Joe the black man, who has a long list of prior arrests and is well known to the department, may not get off with a warning but is instead arrested. Law enforcement tend to lose forgiveness when you are a consistent problem.

    Now I am not saying this is the case I am just trying to make an argument for why a higher arrest rate my not be indicative of racism.

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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    I don't consider myself to be closed-minded at all and I don't think I have a problem seeing it from the other side. The issue isn't usually the police officers themselves, it's the systematic way that race is used to determine whether or not laws will be enforced. A documentary that deals with this issue and spends a lot of time following law enforcement in is The House I Live In, which you can watch on Netflix if you'd like to see this issue from the other side. The documentary demonstrates that we have used to war on drugs to make billions of dollars off of our prisons system, even though the prison system is not at all effective at treating drug use or drug addiction. It also shows how poor black communities are targeted by law enforcement. It makes a very compelling argument.



    I just discussed this. Black people don't use marijuana at 11.5X the rate white people use it. Another poster had statistics saying the rate of marijuana use is lower among black people than for white people. But we do arrest black people at 11.5X the rate as white people for marijuana possession.
    Show evidence of systematic racism. As for prisons thats off topic but I will say the purpose of prisons is to remove criminals from society first-not to rehab them. And as far as law enforcement targeting black neighborhoods I disagree-they target where the crime is-and yes that is often times black neighborhoods. Dont you want cops where the crime is?

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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    How do you not arrest a race if that race is responsible for the lion's share of the crime? Look, we have the same problem with First Nations, due to a lot of complex circumstances some dating back decades [we had a form of 'slavery' into the late 1960's with residential schools] they commit the greater amount of crime by degrees of magnitude than any other race.

    Do you just not arrest them? No, and our courts went progressive and set limits on incarceration which mean a lot of very bad people were out on the street. Now, we have band [tribal] courts that get results and don't imprison. the crime rate is coming down, but the ratio remains extreme and will likely do so for generations to come.
    Different groups behave differently. And yet he appears to want some identical outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Baralis View Post
    Not necessarily. It would depend on the reason they were being arrested at a higher rate. If say Joe a white man is pulled over and caught with a joint but had no previous encounters with police the officer may let him off with a warning. However if Joe the black man, who has a long list of prior arrests and is well known to the department, may not get off with a warning but is instead arrested. Law enforcement tend to lose forgiveness when you are a consistent problem.

    Now I am not saying this is the case I am just trying to make an argument for why a higher arrest rate my not be indicative of racism.
    It's not really the case, though. Sometimes what you're saying is true but it doesn't explain the numbers. Here's a NY Times editorial discussing the issue of marijuana arrests.

    From 2001 to 2010, the police made more than 8.2 million marijuana arrests; almost nine in 10 were for possession alone. In 2011, there were more arrests for marijuana possession than for all violent crimes put together.
    The article also states that a black person is 10X more likely to go to prison for a drug charge. That has nothing to do with priors and I see no possible way that statistic can be explained any other way than race. Also, 9 in 10 prisoners in the United States have no history of violence. And a study done in New York showed that, among tens of thousands of people who were arrested for marijuana, 90% went on to never have a felony charge and only about 3% went on to commit a violent crime. That paints a picture of a pretty awful system to me.

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    Show evidence of systematic racism. As for prisons thats off topic but I will say the purpose of prisons is to remove criminals from society first-not to rehab them. And as far as law enforcement targeting black neighborhoods I disagree-they target where the crime is-and yes that is often times black neighborhoods. Dont you want cops where the crime is?
    Read what I just wrote above and also read the article and watch the movie. Don't I want cops where crime is? Have you read nothing I've said? Black and white people use marijuana at THE SAME rate or perhaps black people use marijuana at a LOWER rate yet are 3-30 times more likely to be arrested for it than a white person. You said "don't you want cops where the crime is?" Maybe I should be saying that to you, because white people are using marijuana at the same rate as black people but are 3-30 times less likely to be charged with marijuana possession. Logically, whites are getting away with the crimes that you believe they should be going to prison for. Why aren't you outraged that white people are getting away with using drugs? Instead, you're an apologist for a system that targets black people and imprisons them for non-violent crimes. Sometimes, people just disagree on a subject matter, but I'm pleased to know that all of the available evidence and statistics back what I'm saying and completely destroy everything you're saying.
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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    It's not really the case, though. Sometimes what you're saying is true but it doesn't explain the numbers. Here's a NY Times editorial discussing the issue of marijuana arrests.



    The article also states that a black person is 10X more likely to go to prison for a drug charge. That has nothing to do with priors and I see no possible way that statistic can be explained any other way than race. Also, 9 in 10 prisoners in the United States have no history of violence. And a study done in New York showed that, among tens of thousands of people who were arrested for marijuana, 90% went on to never have a felony charge and only about 3% went on to commit a violent crime. That paints a picture of a pretty awful system to me.



    Read what I just wrote above and also read the article and watch the movie. Don't I want cops where crime is? Have you read nothing I've said? Black and white people use marijuana at THE SAME rate or perhaps black people use marijuana at a LOWER rate yet are 3-30 times more likely to be arrested for it than a white person. You said "don't you want cops where the crime is?" Maybe I should be saying that to you, because white people are using marijuana at the same rate as black people but are 3-30 times less likely to be charged with marijuana possession. Logically, whites are getting away with the crimes that you believe they should be going to prison for. Why aren't you outraged that white people are getting away with using drugs? Instead, you're an apologist for a system that targets black people and imprisons them for non-violent crimes. Sometimes, people just disagree on a subject matter, but I'm pleased to know that all of the available evidence and statistics back what I'm saying and completely destroy everything you're saying.
    Show me the policies, across the patchwork of cities and towns in the US that say to target someone based on race.
    As for marijuana, you need to account for other factors besides drug use that would cause them to interact with the poice-frankly if its happening in someones home, away from children I dont care. But again, other factors like higher levels of violence, white-collar crime, speeding all lead to more interaction with the police (same is true for white people-another reason why you can't isolate that stat)-if weed is found they'd be charged with possession. Do you see why that would lead to a discrepancy? Remember when I said different groups behave differently? If one neighborhood has a problem with people smoking marijuana, and another has the same issue plus more violence, where do you want the cops?

    As for the whole violent vs non violent criminals in jail, I see that as a different issue, but I can tell you that here in liberal california-its typically repeat offenders that get put in jail. We implemented the 3 strikes law to remove repeat criminals from society and it worked well in lowering crime rates.

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