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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And sometimes they don't!
    My guess is they'll have to look hard to find white criminals in Ferguson. If Ferguson is like any of the countless suburbs across the country that suffered from white flight over the last few decades, most of the whites who remain are from an older demographic--grandmas and grandpas who find comfort in homes they've lived in for decades and are reluctant to leave (personified in cinema by Walt Kowalski in Gran Torino). This isn't a prime demographic for criminals.
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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

    They keep this **** up and cops are likely to stop patrolling black neighborhoods. Seriously. Why risk being hammered as racist? Just ignore the black parts of town and be done with it. Damn this report is high on the stupid....

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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

    Quote Originally Posted by Kal'Stang View Post
    Is it? I could think of at least three factors that has nothing to do with race. 1: Local culture. 2: Lack of education. 3: Bad economy. All of which could contribute to people committing crimes either by themselves or all together or in some combination.

    All those numbers mean is that blacks are more likely to be arrested. It doesn't say why they are more likely to be arrested. All you've done is made assumptions. And if Eric Holders "investigation" comes to the same conclusion just because of those numbers then it is obviously flawed. Whether on purpose or just plain stupidity though I have no idea.
    What do those three criteria have to do with black people being arrested 11.5 times more likely than white people for marijuana use? The % of black individuals who use marijuana is roughly equal to the % of white individuals who use marijuana. So how would the economy reconcile how a racial demographic that comprises just 17.4% of the population is 11.5 times more likely to be arrested for a crime they commit at the same rate as the other racial demographics?

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    How is race a factor? Im not disputing the disproportionality, but I dont follow you on the cause.
    If I said that 100% of those of crimes happened while in orbit of the sun, does that mean the sun did it?
    Blacks make up 17.4% of the population in Minneapolis and Whites make up 70.2% Both groups use marijuana about equally. So there are 1/4 as many black marijuana users, but a black person is 11.5X more likely to be arrested for marijuana use. That's a pretty large discrepancy and I haven't heard you offer up any other explanation. I have evidence, you have "could be another explanation." If police don't target black people for non-violent crime arrests such as marijuana use, then surely statistics would support that, right? So cite some statistics!

    Do you have any black friends? I'd suggest you ask them about this subject matter. Every black friend I've ever had has got stories about the police trying to find a reason to arrest them. I have stories about the police looking for reasons not to arrest me.
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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

    The comments in any discussion relating to racial justice illustrate the need for racial justice.

    Please try to read what the study actually says, not what you want it to say or what you wish it had said. It will help you sound less...frothy.
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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

    Quote Originally Posted by Hicup View Post
    Well it is common knowledge that the blacks are terrible tippers -and- drivers..

    Duh..


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    dont know about ferguson

    but i can tell around here cops stop cars for differing things

    a couple of the big ones are tinting too heavy, or expired or missing inspection stickers

    one of my employee's relative has a older honda, with really heavy tinting on the windows

    he had been stopped numerous times, and ticketed like 5x over the course of months

    never fixed it....and ignored the tickets

    couple of weeks ago, cops stop him again......same thing

    only this time, the unpaid tickets, and bench warrant appear as the cop runs the car and license

    so he gets arrested, they impound car, and they find drugs in the car

    and yes...the 20 year old is black

    so, just another anecdotal situation that shows what....the cops are racist because they stop cars with heavy tinting?

    or that you cant ignore the law?

    maybe the statistics are slightly askew just because of situations similar to the one i described
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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    What do those three criteria have to do with black people being arrested 11.5 times more likely than white people for marijuana use? The % of black individuals who use marijuana is roughly equal to the % of white individuals who use marijuana. So how would the economy reconcile how a racial demographic that comprises just 17.4% of the population is 11.5 times more likely to be arrested for a crime they commit at the same rate as the other racial demographics?



    Blacks make up 17.4% of the population in Minneapolis and Whites make up 70.2% Both groups use marijuana about equally. So there are 1/4 as many black marijuana users, but a black person is 11.5X more likely to be arrested for marijuana use. That's a pretty large discrepancy and I haven't heard you offer up any other explanation. I have evidence, you have "could be another explanation." If police don't target black people for non-violent crime arrests such as marijuana use, then surely statistics would support that, right? So cite some statistics!

    Do you have any black friends? I'd suggest you ask them about this subject matter. Every black friend I've ever had has got stories about the police trying to find a reason to arrest them. I have stories about the police looking for reasons not to arrest me.
    For the moment, lets say its true that blacks and whites have parity on marijuana use ( I haven't seen any study to suggest for or against that). You can't get from there to the fact that blacks are more likely to be arrested for marijuana use without looking at the factors in between. Could they have been more likely to be out in public? Driving erratically? Caught for another crime and then marijuana was found? Less likely to have a legal reason to be using medical marijuana? More likely to commit other crimes that would lead cops to them? More gang activity? (btw there are stats for these)

    Do you understand what Im saying? You simply can't make the jump from one to the other without knowing these things.

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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    For the moment, lets say its true that blacks and whites have parity on marijuana use ( I haven't seen any study to suggest for or against that). You can't get from there to the fact that blacks are more likely to be arrested for marijuana use without looking at the factors in between. Could they have been more likely to be out in public? Driving erratically? Caught for another crime and then marijuana was found? Less likely to have a legal reason to be using medical marijuana? More likely to commit other crimes that would lead cops to them? More gang activity? (btw there are stats for these)

    Do you understand what Im saying? You simply can't make the jump from one to the other without knowing these things.
    Yes, I do understand what you're saying. You're saying that correlation isn't causation, which is definitely true. However, like I already said, I have a lot of black friends who attest to the fact that they have been targeted by the police even though they hadn't done anything wrong. They never got arrested and aren't criminals, so I don't doubt that they're being truthful. At the same time, I should have been arrested multiple times but was let off. When that is your experience, and there are statistics that seem to support the claim, it has a good deal of credence. My first post said that the numbers do make it sound like the police targeted black people in Ferguson but those numbers alone don't prove anything. So I get it, I just think that there is sufficient evidence to conclude that black people are more likely to be arrested for non-violent crimes than white people, who are sometimes (such as in my case) let off the hook for no apparent reason.
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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Yes, I do understand what you're saying. You're saying that correlation isn't causation, which is definitely true. However, like I already said, I have a lot of black friends who attest to the fact that they have been targeted by the police even though they hadn't done anything wrong. They never got arrested and aren't criminals, so I don't doubt that they're being truthful. At the same time, I should have been arrested multiple times but was let off. When that is your experience, and there are statistics that seem to support the claim, it has a good deal of credence. My first post said that the numbers do make it sound like the police targeted black people in Ferguson but those numbers alone don't prove anything. So I get it, I just think that there is sufficient evidence to conclude that black people are more likely to be arrested for non-violent crimes than white people, who are sometimes (such as in my case) let off the hook for no apparent reason.

    Have you... ever spent time say on a community ride along, or worked for or with the police?

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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    What do those three criteria have to do with black people being arrested 11.5 times more likely than white people for marijuana use? The % of black individuals who use marijuana is roughly equal to the % of white individuals who use marijuana. So how would the economy reconcile how a racial demographic that comprises just 17.4% of the population is 11.5 times more likely to be arrested for a crime they commit at the same rate as the other racial demographics?



    Blacks make up 17.4% of the population in Minneapolis and Whites make up 70.2% Both groups use marijuana about equally. So there are 1/4 as many black marijuana users, but a black person is 11.5X more likely to be arrested for marijuana use. That's a pretty large discrepancy and I haven't heard you offer up any other explanation. I have evidence, you have "could be another explanation." If police don't target black people for non-violent crime arrests such as marijuana use, then surely statistics would support that, right? So cite some statistics!

    Do you have any black friends? I'd suggest you ask them about this subject matter. Every black friend I've ever had has got stories about the police trying to find a reason to arrest them. I have stories about the police looking for reasons not to arrest me.
    Blacks actually have a lower rate of usage than whites.

    Race/Ethnicity and Gender Differences in Drug Use and Abuse Among College Students

    According to the 2003 NSDUH, 38.2% of White young adults 18 to 25 years of age in the U.S. reported any illicit drug use in the past year, followed by African-American (30.6%) and Hispanic (27.5%) young adults (SAMHSA, 2004a). The same race/ethnicity patterns were observed for the past-year prevalence of marijuana use and marijuana use disorders among individuals 18 to 29 years of age according to data from the 2001–2002 National Epidemiological Survey on Alcohol and Related Conditions (NESARC; Compton et al., 2004). Further, the past-year prevalence of DSM-IV marijuana use disorders increased significantly between 1991–1992 and 2001–2002, with the greatest increases observed among Hispanic and African-American young adults. In contrast, the prevalence of DSM-IV marijuana use disorders for White young adults did not change significantly over this same time period (Compton et al., 2004).
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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Yes, I do understand what you're saying. You're saying that correlation isn't causation, which is definitely true. However, like I already said, I have a lot of black friends who attest to the fact that they have been targeted by the police even though they hadn't done anything wrong. They never got arrested and aren't criminals, so I don't doubt that they're being truthful. At the same time, I should have been arrested multiple times but was let off. When that is your experience, and there are statistics that seem to support the claim, it has a good deal of credence. My first post said that the numbers do make it sound like the police targeted black people in Ferguson but those numbers alone don't prove anything. So I get it, I just think that there is sufficient evidence to conclude that black people are more likely to be arrested for non-violent crimes than white people, who are sometimes (such as in my case) let off the hook for no apparent reason.
    I dont think anyone is denying that at times there are episodes of racism occurring. But you cited first anecdotes and then data that does not support that argument. Do you understand why I took issue with that?

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