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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

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    Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Ferguson - CNN.com



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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

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    Typical, you haven't a clue what the justice departments report says.
    Fill me in. According to you the findings were obvious so it shouldn't be too hard for you

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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

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    Why is that indicative of racism? If one group is committing a higher than proportionate level of crimes, wouldn't they have more interactions with the police?

    Can you give me a specific example where a person committing a crime was overlooked by police based merely on race?

    What evidence do you have that non-violent crimes are far more likely to be motivated by prejudice/racism?
    Yes, I can give you a specific example of that. It happened to a person named me. But you can't prove that I wasn't arrested solely because of my race. I could have been arrested a number of times (this was over a decade ago) but never was. If you don't think that me being middle class and white played a role in it, that's your choice, but I think you're ignoring the evidence. I grew up in Minneapolis, where there's this: racial disparity in low level arrests.

    The Minneapolis Police Departmentís own data, as reported to the Federal Bureau of Investigationís Uniform Crime Reporting, reveals that between 2004 and 2012, an African American individual was, on average:

    11.5 times more likely to be arrested than a white individual for marijuana possession;
    8.86 times more likely to be arrested than a white individual for disorderly conduct;
    7.54 times more likely to be arrested than a white individual for vagrancy; and
    16.39 times more likely to be arrested than a white juvenile for curfew/loitering
    That's racist, right?
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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    Yes, I can give you a specific example of that. It happened to a person named me. But you can't prove that I wasn't arrested solely because of my race. I could have been arrested a number of times (this was over a decade ago) but never was. If you don't think that me being middle class and white played a role in it, that's your choice, but I think you're ignoring the evidence. I grew up in Minneapolis, where there's this: racial disparity in low level arrests.



    That's racist, right?
    Im sorry but thats not good enough. Anecdotes aside, I'd need to see evidence, and your opinion isn't evidence.

    And we can't just look at the number of arrests, or the percentage "more likely" on its own, we need to see evidence that race was a factor-can you provide that? I dont think you can.

    Beyond that, different groups behave differently, I have no idea why you'd expect to see the same outcomes.
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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Sometimes cops actually arrest the people who are committing the crimes?
    And sometimes they don't!
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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    Fill me in. According to you the findings were obvious so it shouldn't be too hard for you
    Did you read the Justice Departments report, or are you just being an ass because you hate black people??
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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Im sorry but thats not good enough. Anecdotes aside, I'd need to see evidence, and your opinion isn't evidence.

    And we can't just look at the number of arrests, or the percentage "more likely" on its own, we need to see evidence that race was a factor-can you provide that? I dont think you can.

    Beyond that, different groups behave differently, I have no idea why you'd expect to see the same outcomes.
    I think I did give you the evidence, you just choose not to accept it because you decided that your opinion is more important than evidence. If a black person is 11.5 times more likely than a white person to be arrested for the possession of marijuana (as they were between 2004 and 1014 according to the article I linked to) then the only reasonable conclusion is that race is a factor. Even if it isn't the only factor, I don't see any way around it.
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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

    Quote Originally Posted by Montecresto View Post
    And sometimes they don't!
    What do you think happens more often? (this will be good)

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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    I think I did give you the evidence, you just choose not to accept it because you decided that your opinion is more important than evidence. If a black person is 11.5 times more likely than a white person to be arrested for the possession of marijuana (as they were between 2004 and 1014 according to the article I linked to) then the only reasonable conclusion is that race is a factor. Even if it isn't the only factor, I don't see any way around it.
    How is race a factor? Im not disputing the disproportionality, but I dont follow you on the cause.
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    Re: Justice report finds systematic discrimination against African Americans in Fergu

    Quote Originally Posted by Mustachio View Post
    I think I did give you the evidence, you just choose not to accept it because you decided that your opinion is more important than evidence. If a black person is 11.5 times more likely than a white person to be arrested for the possession of marijuana (as they were between 2004 and 1014 according to the article I linked to) then the only reasonable conclusion is that race is a factor. Even if it isn't the only factor, I don't see any way around it.
    Is it? I could think of at least three factors that has nothing to do with race. 1: Local culture. 2: Lack of education. 3: Bad economy. All of which could contribute to people committing crimes either by themselves or all together or in some combination.

    All those numbers mean is that blacks are more likely to be arrested. It doesn't say why they are more likely to be arrested. All you've done is made assumptions. And if Eric Holders "investigation" comes to the same conclusion just because of those numbers then it is obviously flawed. Whether on purpose or just plain stupidity though I have no idea.
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