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Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee[W:175,246, 296]

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"Old Ben"?

Sorry, Dr. Ben Carson. I don't like his views and think he is a little, shall I say strange, but everyone is free to run.
 
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He hasn't had time. He's a surgeon.

He must have skipped the multiple classes on biology in college then. He should stay a surgeon, by all indications he is an excellent surgeon. However, he is also a treasure trove of shear lunacy when interviewed.
 
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No, it's not, because his opinion is wrong.

How many years has Carson spent researching evolution?

But yours is? As for your question, lets not pretend theres an answer that you would accept.
 
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But yours is? As for your question, lets not pretend theres an answer that you would accept.

Evolution is a fact. The age of the Earth is a fact. This isn't about opinions.
 
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One of my biggest issues with Obama in 2008 outside of policy/ideological differences was his extreme dearth of experience. He is easily in the top 3 for least experienced Presidents in this countries history, with a fair argument for being the least.

Ben Carson makes 2008 Obama look like a savy and seasoned veteran.

Absolutely positively not. The Presidency of the United States of America should not be trusted to a rank amateur that says a good speech involving ideological rhetoric but who is completely and utterly outside of his actual work experience.
 
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Evolution is a fact. The age of the Earth is a fact. This isn't about opinions.
Yes, things evolve and the age of the earth is not definite.
 
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Are you suggesting that an internationally renowned neurosurgeon doesn't understand or appreciate science or its methodologies?

That would be the logical conclusion, yes. The alternative is that he does respect the scientific method, but has chosen to eschew it as he cannot let go of his prior beliefs. That is even worse.

Perhaps, but neither of those subjects were mentioned. Anyone who believed that Barrack Obama was a good President would be ignorant as well, but that's off topic also.
Of course not.

It's the same principle. I do not want someone representing me who is unable to comprehend facts. My criticism isn't towards those who think Ben Carson or Barack Obama would be a good leader, my criticism is to those who are actually in power themselves. I don't really care if someone thinks Carson or Obama would be a good leader, their beliefs don't affect my life. The presidents beliefs would.

Evolution doesn't necessarily preclude the existence of God.

I know, I don't think I've said anything that would suggest otherwise.

Flawed logic here, and in any case I will get his perspective from him and not a progressive.

You can make this a partisan issue all you want. I'm not making this criticism because he's right and I'm left. In the grand scheme of things, I don't mind differences of opinion, they are healthy. More taxes, less taxes, more privatization, less privatization. Whatever, I can deal with that. What I do mind, is an inability to comprehend fact. Ignorance needs to be stamped out of our leadership and that is decided at the voting booth.
 
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Yes, things evolve and the age of the earth is not definite.

The age of the earth is quite definite. Although we only know its age within a certain margin of error. :)
 
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One of my biggest issues with Obama in 2008 outside of policy/ideological differences was his extreme dearth of experience. He is easily in the top 3 for least experienced Presidents in this countries history, with a fair argument for being the least.

Ben Carson makes 2008 Obama look like a savy and seasoned veteran.

Absolutely positively not. The Presidency of the United States of America should not be trusted to a rank amateur that says a good speech involving ideological rhetoric but who is completely and utterly outside of his actual work experience.

well, I think the 2008 Obama comparison is a bit of a stretch, but overall I agree.

I think his lack of political experience will doom him..... a good cabinet/team can get a person through lack of governing experience.. but no one can help with a lack of political experience.

some people might like his lack of political experience... personally, I won't vote for him, but I do kinda like the idea of a guy running for high office who is not a career professional politician... it has it's appeal.
career politicians don't seem to be doing us any favors.

in any event,whomever is our next president will be sure to be a career politician....that the way we roll.
 
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Evolution is a theory. :2wave:

So is gravity.

If a candidate didn't believe that gravity existed, and instead insisted that we are all pushed down by an invisible 'guiding force', they would not be in line for the presidency. They would be in line for the asylum, even if they could perform brain surgery very well.
 
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One of my biggest issues with Obama in 2008 outside of policy/ideological differences was his extreme dearth of experience. He is easily in the top 3 for least experienced Presidents in this countries history, with a fair argument for being the least.

Ben Carson makes 2008 Obama look like a savy and seasoned veteran.

Absolutely positively not. The Presidency of the United States of America should not be trusted to a rank amateur that says a good speech involving ideological rhetoric but who is completely and utterly outside of his actual work experience.

There seems to be those who believe that a Community Organizer is more worthy of the Presidency than a renowned Neurosurgeon. Or that Rev. Wrights form of Christian influence on BHO was minor when compared to the Christianity of Dr.Carsons.

At one time character was an important factor in choosing a President but now that the electorate is so well educated that religion has become the issue.

Abraham Lincoln had little formal education yet became a lawyer, log splitter and President, among many other accomplishments. BHO had the best education available, via affirmative action of course, and became a drug dealer and Community Organizer (whatever that is) and then President. Now a very accomplished self-made man is unworthy of the Presidency because of his faith in God.

People do really deserve the government they get.
 
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well, I think the 2008 Obama comparison is a bit of a stretch, but overall I agree.

I think his lack of political experience will doom him..... a good cabinet/team can get a person through lack of governing experience.. but no one can help with a lack of political experience.

some people might like his lack of political experience... personally, I won't vote for him, but I do kinda like the idea of a guy running for high office who is not a career professional politician... it has it's appeal.
career politicians don't seem to be doing us any favors.

in any event,whomever is our next president will be sure to be a career politician....that the way we roll.

Yeah I think it's a shame that lack of political experience is seen as a bad thing. We whine about career politicians, but then expect our leaders to be experienced at doing what they do.
 
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wow..
That's arrogant.
You have a Phd on what from where?
It's hardly "arrogant".
One doesn't need a PhD to understand the overwhelming evidences for evolution, tho your assertion betrays You Don't understand it.

Ben Carson can be a fabulous Aircraft Mechanic without knowing squat about Aerodynamics.
And That's analogous to where he IS on the scale.

The problem is he was Indoctrinated as/is a 7-11 Adventist and remained in willing denial his whole life on several simple scientific subjects.

To believe in YEC you have to deny No less than a Dozen simple-to-understand Sciences, even beyond Biological ones. ie, dendochronology/Tree-Ring-Dating, which even simpletons Are capable of.

THAT is what's so troubling, the degree of Compartmentalization/Sociopathy it takes for someone who had his education, to hold views which are Epically in Denial.
One cannot trust someone who can cut out Reality to that degree.
 
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So is gravity.

If a candidate didn't believe that gravity existed, and instead insisted that we are all pushed down by an invisible 'guiding force', they would not be in line for the presidency. They would be in line for the asylum, even if they could perform brain surgery very well.

We dont know how gravity works. :2wave:
 
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We dont know how gravity works. :2wave:

Exactly. Yet we still accept it as true, and would give strange looks to someone who suggested it was the 'hand of god'.

Same is true for evolution. *gasp*
 
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So is gravity.

If a candidate didn't believe that gravity existed, and instead insisted that we are all pushed down by an invisible 'guiding force', they would not be in line for the presidency. They would be in line for the asylum, even if they could perform brain surgery very well.


Oh phooey...

Gravity is a law of physics.
 
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Oh phooey...

Gravity is a law of physics.

oh but we do...

It is what makes up.

Up has no meaning without gravity and the down it creates, just as light has no meaning without the dark.

Both evolution and gravity are scientific 'theories'. Each with so much supporting evidence they are essentially fact.

And we don't know how gravity works, we don't know what causes it. The other fundamental forces propagate through particles. Gravity doesn't and we don't know why, hence the search for the Higgs boson. It doesn't change the fact that gravity is a law of physics (as you said), even though we don't fully understand it.
 
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That would be the logical conclusion, yes. The alternative is that he does respect the scientific method, but has chosen to eschew it as he cannot let go of his prior beliefs. That is even worse.
Or, like many, science inspired his beliefs.
It's the same principle. I do not want someone representing me who is unable to comprehend facts.
Facts and beliefs are often quite different and usually quite harmless. It didn't matter that JFK was a Catholic or Bill Clinton a pretender. The real question, though not mentioned here, is whether they can govern well.
My criticism isn't towards those who think Ben Carson or Barack Obama would be a good leader, my criticism is to those who are actually in power themselves. I don't really care if someone thinks Carson or Obama would be a good leader, their beliefs don't affect my life. The presidents beliefs would.
His actions would. BHO and Reagan shared Christian beliefs, or so it was said, but governed quite differently. That's what is important.
You can make this a partisan issue all you want. I'm not making this criticism because he's right and I'm left. In the grand scheme of things, I don't mind differences of opinion, they are healthy. More taxes, less taxes, more privatization, less privatization. Whatever, I can deal with that. What I do mind, is an inability to comprehend fact. Ignorance needs to be stamped out of our leadership and that is decided at the voting booth.
I'm of the opinion BHO was too ignorant to be President but others obviously disagreed. Perhaps ignorance is in the eye of the beholder.
 
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Or, like many, science inspired his beliefs.
Facts and beliefs are often quite different and usually quite harmless. It didn't matter that JFK was a Catholic or Bill Clinton a pretender. The real question, though not mentioned here, is whether they can govern well. His actions would. BHO and Reagan shared Christian beliefs, or so it was said, but governed quite differently. That's what is important.
I'm of the opinion BHO was too ignorant to be President yet but others obviously disagreed. Perhaps ignorance is in the eye of the beholder.

Belief in god is not a scientific issue, it is a philosophical one, so differences in opinion don't bother me so much. I may not agree with the belief, but it is not indicative of a trait that would inhibit ability to lead.

Not believing in evolution is not a matter of philosophy, it's a matter of cold hard facts, facts that Carson cannot seem to accept. That is not a trait I want in a leader.
 
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I like Ben Carson and would love to hear more about his ideas for the future.
He'll be surrounding himself with great people, so I think he is someone to keep an eye on.
 
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