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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    The 2008 election was a crisis election. Experience becomes less important than in more normal circumstances. Barring unexpected developments the 2016 election will occur during more normal conditions.
    Why would the electorate vote for a neophyte like Obama under any circumstances? As a social experiment? And of course, to politicians, every election is a 'crisis'. If there isn't one they will manufacture one with the idea that only they can solve it. We can see Hillary doing that now.

    In 2008, Obama won on the all-important economy issue (53%-44%), as well as on a number of less important issues. Race actually proved a very tiny factor according to the exit polls.
    How could anyone expect an inexperienced person like Obama, who has never held a real job, or management position, in his life? My understanding is that he was a Constitutional expert and his losses in front of the Supreme Court suggest he wasn't very strong in that area either.

    Here's what Geraldine Ferraro had to say
    .Ms. Ferraro, the former congresswoman and vice-presidential candidate who backs Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton, told The Daily Breeze, a newspaper in Torrance, Calif.: “If Obama was a white man, he would not be in this position. And if he was a woman of any color, he would not be in this position. He happens to be very lucky to be who he is. And the country is caught up in the concept.”
    Harry Reid.
    The authors quote Reid as saying privately that Obama, as a black candidate, could be successful thanks, in part, to his "light-skinned" appearance and speaking patterns "with no Negro dialect, unless he wanted to have one."
    Joe Biden.
    "I mean, you got the first mainstream African-American who is articulate and bright and clean and a nice-looking guy," Biden said. "I mean, that's a storybook, man."
    Even as Obama was lightly experienced, Carson has no leadership experience. In the upcoming election that will prove fatal to his candidacy. That his campaign is already falling apart exposes the dangers of one's lacking leadership experience.[/QUOTE]In fact Ben Carson has had far more leadership experience than Barack Obama ever and has led management teams all over the world.

    But the fact is that the novelty of having a Black President has worn off and Ben Carson is also a Republican or, as many Democrats like to say, an "Uncle Tom". I also doubt very much he will win.

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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Kobie View Post
    Ah, "voting present." Yes, he voted present -- 3% of the time.

    Obama’s Legislative Record

    Don't you ever get sick of posting blatant lies? Why even ask a thoughtful, intelligent poster like don a question about why Obama got elected when all you're going to do is ignore his answer so you can continue posting your dishonest twaddle?
    Yes, I should have known better than to have believed Hillary Clinton. I hope you and other left wingers don;t get sucked in by her lies as well. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-me...s-complicated/

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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Why would the electorate vote for a neophyte like Obama under any circumstances?
    Because during panics--and Election 2008 took place during a financial and economic panic--incumbents or their party face severe headwinds. The same dynamics that lifted FDR to victory against Hoover played out in 2008. That McCain displayed hesitation or worse in his mishandling of the 9/24/2008 debate (canceling and then revoking his cancellation) helped present Senator Obama as a steady and firm leader. Far more damaging was McCain's demonstration of impotence at the White House summit he had requested. From The Wall Street Journal:

    Now Obama and the Democrats were skillfully setting up the story line that McCain's intervention had polarized the situation and that Republicans were walking away from an agreement. It was brilliant political theater that was about to degenerate into farce. Skipping protocol, the president turned to McCain to offer him a chance to respond: "I think it's fair that I give you the chance to speak next."

    But McCain demurred. "I'll wait my turn," he said. It was an incredible moment, in every sense. This was supposed to be McCain's meeting—he'd called it, not the president, who had simply accommodated the Republican candidate's wishes. Now it looked as if McCain had no plan at all—his idea had been to suspend his campaign and summon us all to this meeting. It was not a strategy, it was a political gambit, and the Democrats had matched it with one of their own.


    When Mr. McCain Came to Washington - WSJ


    McCain had essentially destroyed the rationale for his election in a campaign in which the economy was the overwhelming issue. That Obama was only a first-term Senator was overlooked by an electorate desperately seeking a way out of the rapidly unfolding crisis.

    In fact Ben Carson has had far more leadership experience than Barack Obama ever and has led management teams all over the world.

    But the fact is that the novelty of having a Black President has worn off and Ben Carson is also a Republican or, as many Democrats like to say, an "Uncle Tom". I also doubt very much he will win.
    Carson has never served in government. He has never been in a senior military command. He has never headed a company.

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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by donsutherland1 View Post
    Because during panics--and Election 2008 took place during a financial and economic panic--incumbents or their party face severe headwinds. The same dynamics that lifted FDR to victory against Hoover played out in 2008. That McCain displayed hesitation or worse in his mishandling of the 9/24/2008 debate (canceling and then revoking his cancellation) helped present Senator Obama as a steady and firm leader. Far more damaging was McCain's demonstration of impotence at the White House summit he had requested. From The Wall Street Journal:

    [i]Now Obama and the Democrats were skillfully setting up the story line that McCain's intervention had polarized the situation and that Republicans were walking away from an agreement. It was brilliant political theater that was about to degenerate into farce. Skipping protocol, the president turned to McCain to offer him a chance to respond: "I think it's fair that I give you the chance to speak next."

    But McCain demurred. "I'll wait my turn," he said. It was an incredible moment, in every sense. This was supposed to be McCain's meeting—he'd called it, not the president, who had simply accommodated the Republican candidate's wishes. Now it looked as if McCain had no plan at all—his idea had been to suspend his campaign and summon us all to this meeting. It was not a strategy, it was a political gambit, and the Democrats had matched it with one of their own.
    While it may have been a 'failed political gambit' it was still no reason to elect Barack Obama as President. The electorate shouldn't fall so easily for these 'gambits', one way or the other but instead look at the candidates history and any record of success. In fact, as we know, it was called 'racist' to even examine Obama's past, mention his family, drug use, etc. That a 'gambit' won over a legitimate examination of the mans past doesn't say much for the sophistication of the electorate.
    McCain had essentially destroyed the rationale for his election in a campaign in which the economy was the overwhelming issue. That Obama was only a first-term Senator was overlooked by an electorate desperately seeking a way out of the rapidly unfolding crisis
    Yes, that may be, and stepped right into it.
    Carson has never served in government. He has never been in a senior military command. He has never headed a company.
    There has been several Presidents who have never served in Government prior to becoming President, with George Washington setting the precedent. Ben Carson's career has been much more distinguished than B.Obama's but of course he will still not become President.

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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    While it may have been a 'failed political gambit' it was still no reason to elect Barack Obama as President. The electorate shouldn't fall so easily for these 'gambits', one way or the other but instead look at the candidates history and any record of success. In fact, as we know, it was called 'racist' to even examine Obama's past, mention his family, drug use, etc. That a 'gambit' won over a legitimate examination of the mans past doesn't say much for the sophistication of the electorate.
    Behavior during panics has much more to do with human nature than sophistication or lack thereof. Many highly sophisticated investors dumped securities with solid underlying value in a stampede from the markets, which greatly exacerbated the situation. Financing for even AAA-rated companies such as GE dried up. Emotion (fear) not calculation is the preeminent driver during panics.

    There has been several Presidents who have never served in Government prior to becoming President, with George Washington setting the precedent. Ben Carson's career has been much more distinguished than B.Obama's but of course he will still not become President.
    George Washington demonstrated his leadership experience during the American Revolution. Numerous generous i.e., Grant, Eisenhower, etc., have won the Presidency. Prior to revelations of his affair and sharing of sensitive information with his lover, General Petraeus was arguably in a good position to launch a political career and possibly pursue the Presidency.

    There is little doubt that Dr. Carson is a brilliant surgeon who has contributed much to the medical field. But the requirements of success in that field differ from those in leading the nation. The probability of his developing an effective rationale for translating those skills into a case that he can lead the nation is very low. That does not, in any way, take away from what he has contributed to medicine and the country from his efforts in medicine.

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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Yes, I should have known better than to have believed Hillary Clinton. I hope you and other left wingers don;t get sucked in by her lies as well. Yes, but it's complicated. | PolitiFact
    **** Hillary Clinton, I ain't voting for her.
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