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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee[W:175,246]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Even a psychiatrist will tell you that these things are unknown and theoretical. You act like its settled fact.
    Then why does the issue even matter. Why would a learned man not say that. Why would Doctor foot-in-mouth even venture to give an anecdotal summation on Homosexuality?


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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    It need only be a pattern, not permanent.
    Sexual orientation - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    Sexual orientation refers to an enduring pattern of emotional, romantic and/or sexual attractions to men, women or both sexes. Sexual orientation also refers to a person's sense of identity based on those attractions, related behaviors and membership in a community of others who share those attractions. Research over several decades has demonstrated that sexual orientation ranges along a continuum, from exclusive attraction to the other sex to exclusive attraction to the same sex.

    However, sexual orientation is usually discussed in terms of three categories: heterosexual (having emotional, romantic or sexual attractions to members of the other sex), gay/lesbian (having emotional, romantic or sexual attractions to members of one's own sex) and bisexual (having emotional, romantic or sexual attractions to both men and women). This range of behaviors and attractions has been described in various cultures and nations throughout the world. Many cultures use identity labels to describe people who express these attractions. In the United States the most frequent labels are lesbians (women attracted to women), gay men (men attracted to men), and bisexual people (men or women attracted to both sexes). However, some people may use different labels or none at all.

    Sexual orientation is distinct from other components of sex and gender, including biological sex (the anatomical, physiological and genetic characteristics associated with being male or female), gender identity (the psychological sense of being male or female)* and social gender role (the cultural norms that define feminine and masculine behavior).
    Sexual orientation is commonly discussed as if it were solely a characteristic of an individual, like biological sex, gender identity or age. This perspective is incomplete because sexual orientation is defined in terms of relationships with others. People express their sexual orientation through behaviors with others, including such simple actions as holding hands or kissing.

    Thus, sexual orientation is closely tied to the intimate personal relationships that meet deeply felt needs for love, attachment and intimacy. In addition to sexual behaviors, these bonds include nonsexual physical affection between partners, shared goals and values, mutual support, and ongoing commitment.

    Therefore, sexual orientation is not merely a personal characteristic within an individual. Rather, one's sexual orientation defines the group of people in which one is likely to find the satisfying and fulfilling romantic relationships that are an essential component of personal identity for many people.


    American Psychological Associate - Sexual Orientation
    While you are really working hard to tie "SEXUAL ORIENTATION" to sexual experiences - like in a prison, such sexual activities fail to meet the criteria above as described by the American Psychological Association.

    In other words, sex in prison doesn't meet the definition of "sexual orientation".

    So I opine that your claim "Just a pattern NOT PERMANENT" - isn't congruent to the definition of "sexual orientation". More like "sexual experimentation".


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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    " … I realized that my choice of language does not reflect fully my heart on gay issues," he wrote. "I do not pretend to know how every individual came to their sexual orientation. I regret that my words to express that concept were hurtful and divisive. For that I apologize unreservedly to all that were offended."
    He doesn't even believe the crap he says...


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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    He doesn't even believe the crap he says...
    You just can't stand the thought of a Black Conservative in office.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee[W:175,246]

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    Even a psychiatrist will tell you that these things are unknown and theoretical. You act like its settled fact.

    In the world of reality, being born Gay is a settled fact! Only the benighted challenge this view. As a general rule I rarely respond to people so much out of the loop; it's like talking to someone who claims the earth is only 7000 years old. Will you please produce a link supporting your thesis that a "psychiatrist" with his bona fides who says "it's unknown whether Gays are a choice or naturally born." Thanking you in advance.

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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You just can't stand the thought of a Black Conservative in office.
    Why can't I stand a black conservative in office?

    Is a Black conservative any different than a regular ol conservative? I can't stand the idea of ANY conservative in the WH. Black, blue, orange or teal.


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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee[W:175,246]

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    Then why does the issue even matter. Why would a learned man not say that. Why would Doctor foot-in-mouth even venture to give an anecdotal summation on Homosexuality?
    Im not saying it matters, he was probably asked that question as a "got cha". Its his bad for going down that road, the media has and will be entirely adversarial towards him or any other Republican.

    He's going to be asked questions about homosexuality because he's made it clear he's against it. Same with evolution. Walker has played it smarter by generally avoiding those subjects.

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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Removable Mind View Post
    While you are really working hard to tie "SEXUAL ORIENTATION" to sexual experiences - like in a prison, such sexual activities fail to meet the criteria above as described by the American Psychological Association.

    In other words, sex in prison doesn't meet the definition of "sexual orientation".

    So I opine that your claim "Just a pattern NOT PERMANENT" - isn't congruent to the definition of "sexual orientation". More like "sexual experimentation".
    Ive already said in this thread that orientation refers to how the individual describes it. Did you read that?

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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by 1750Texan View Post
    He doesn't even believe the crap he says...
    I respect him for apologizing. Hopefully he's learned something.

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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee[W:175,246]

    Quote Originally Posted by Atiya View Post
    In the world of reality, being born Gay is a settled fact! Only the benighted challenge this view. As a general rule I rarely respond to people so much out of the loop; it's like talking to someone who claims the earth is only 7000 years old. Will you please produce a link supporting your thesis that a "psychiatrist" with his bona fides who says "it's unknown whether Gays are a choice or naturally born." Thanking you in advance.
    Actually thats what you'd like to think. Psychiatry is a new, unsettled, and "soft" science. Like I said theres no lab test for gay.

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