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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Because the President of the United States and his opinion on the legalization of marijuana doesn't seem relevant. Why? Because the one we have now hasn't done anything either.
    You seem to be under the impression that he hasn't done anything. This is once again demonstrably false. The extent to which Obama can actually legalize it is restricted federal lands and prosecution. Even if the Obama administration were to legalize it across the country local ordinances and state laws would still keep it illegal without some sort of amendment (which wouldn't be the domain of Obama). With that said, the current budget would legalize marijuana in DC which is a step closer to legalization than the prohibition we had 40 years ago.

    When the President of the United States has done something to make marijuana legal in this country, let me know. Until then, Dr. Ben Carson's opinion on the matter isn't relevant. If you want to not vote for Carson because of his opinion on the legalization of marijuana, that's fine, I'm sure. I personally don't care either way. Mkay?
    Psssst - even if the president made marijuana legal - which he can't - state laws would keep it illegal for many. See: 21st amendment. A president who is against marijuana? I'm not worried about him keeping it illegal. He can't. What he can do is order federal agencies to prosecute pot smokers under federal law, which Obama hasn't done as far as states who legalize pot are concerned.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, by calling him a "token" you're not criticizing him at all. Of course you're not.
    No. I'm criticizing the role that he is playing within the Republican party and the message that his presence is calculated to send. It seems you're having trouble getting beyond this simple choice of a word and digging any deeper into the situation. Do you deny that the Republican party has a lot of trouble appealing to blacks? Do you deny that it is often perceived as embracing anti-black racism? Do you deny that many blacks, a significant portion of whom are poor, see Republican policies as detrimental to them? Actual black membership in the Republican party is very little. And what few blacks rise to prominence within it do so by echoing the party line... which is seen by a majority of blacks in this country as anti-black. Do you not see the problem here?

    Now, if I were criticizing Carson, I would do so by noting that he is simply safely toeing the party line, and especially pandering to the anti-gay, hyper-religious, anti-science Republican base. If he were making some kind of waves, being somewhat of a maverick, and pushing policy that was actually beneficial to people other than rich (mostly white) men, then he would be worthy of note.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

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    No. I'm criticizing the role that he is playing within the Republican party and the message that his presence is calculated to send. It seems you're having trouble getting beyond this simple choice of a word and digging any deeper into the situation. Do you deny that the Republican party has a lot of trouble appealing to blacks? Do you deny that it is often perceived as embracing anti-black racism? Do you deny that many blacks, a significant portion of whom are poor, see Republican policies as detrimental to them? Actual black membership in the Republican party is very little. And what few blacks rise to prominence within it do so by echoing the party line... which is seen by a majority of blacks in this country as anti-black. Do you not see the problem here?
    Don't you understand? It was fine for Republicans to say that Obama was an affirmative action president, and that Obama's political experience was none, and that people were voting for him because of white guilt. You haven't been here as long as I have so you probably didn't see the years where every other thread was about Obama's lack of experience.

    Now, they have their own black person with literally zero experience and it's all fine and dandy. The funniest part is that with Obama you can show that he's at least run a government office and has played a role in the legislative process. Ben Carson hasn't even held an alderman position. The guy has never even run for any political office but they're parading him like he's got anything new and exciting to say. He doesn't.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    I'm amazed how a brain surgeon can be so stupid.

    Ben Carson: Prisons prove being gay is a choice - CNN.com

    What's that old will Rodgers saying?

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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by poweRob View Post
    I'm amazed how a brain surgeon can be so stupid.

    Ben Carson: Prisons prove being gay is a choice - CNN.com

    What's that old will Rodgers saying?

    "There's nothing as stupid as an educated man when you get him off of what he was educated in."
    While its true some are raped (and are considered therefore gay by other inmates), for others that's clearly not the case and it appears to be by choice.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You seem to be under the impression that he hasn't done anything. This is once again demonstrably false. The extent to which Obama can actually legalize it is restricted federal lands and prosecution. Even if the Obama administration were to legalize it across the country local ordinances and state laws would still keep it illegal without some sort of amendment (which wouldn't be the domain of Obama). With that said, the current budget would legalize marijuana in DC which is a step closer to legalization than the prohibition we had 40 years ago.



    Psssst - even if the president made marijuana legal - which he can't - state laws would keep it illegal for many. See: 21st amendment. A president who is against marijuana? I'm not worried about him keeping it illegal. He can't. What he can do is order federal agencies to prosecute pot smokers under federal law, which Obama hasn't done as far as states who legalize pot are concerned.
    And after many posts about the states making marijuana legal, and the DEA, and so on, your bolded words are what I have been saying all along. Ben Carson's opinion on marijuana isn't relevant because he wouldn't be able to do anything about it anyway.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    No. I'm criticizing the role that he is playing within the Republican party and the message that his presence is calculated to send. It seems you're having trouble getting beyond this simple choice of a word and digging any deeper into the situation. Do you deny that the Republican party has a lot of trouble appealing to blacks? Do you deny that it is often perceived as embracing anti-black racism? Do you deny that many blacks, a significant portion of whom are poor, see Republican policies as detrimental to them? Actual black membership in the Republican party is very little. And what few blacks rise to prominence within it do so by echoing the party line... which is seen by a majority of blacks in this country as anti-black. Do you not see the problem here?

    Now, if I were criticizing Carson, I would do so by noting that he is simply safely toeing the party line, and especially pandering to the anti-gay, hyper-religious, anti-science Republican base. If he were making some kind of waves, being somewhat of a maverick, and pushing policy that was actually beneficial to people other than rich (mostly white) men, then he would be worthy of note.
    "The role he is playing within the Republican party"? The role of...token. Yes, I understood you the first time you posted it.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Don't you understand? It was fine for Republicans to say that Obama was an affirmative action president, and that Obama's political experience was none, and that people were voting for him because of white guilt. You haven't been here as long as I have so you probably didn't see the years where every other thread was about Obama's lack of experience.

    Now, they have their own black person with literally zero experience and it's all fine and dandy. The funniest part is that with Obama you can show that he's at least run a government office and has played a role in the legislative process. Ben Carson hasn't even held an alderman position. The guy has never even run for any political office but they're parading him like he's got anything new and exciting to say. He doesn't.
    Carson's rhetoric is boilerplate ultraconservative dogma. Literally nothing that's come out of his mouth hasn't been said on repeat by numerous right-wing bobbleheads. There's ONE difference.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    No. I'm criticizing the role that he is playing within the Republican party and the message that his presence is calculated to send. It seems you're having trouble getting beyond this simple choice of a word and digging any deeper into the situation. Do you deny that the Republican party has a lot of trouble appealing to blacks? Do you deny that it is often perceived as embracing anti-black racism? Do you deny that many blacks, a significant portion of whom are poor, see Republican policies as detrimental to them? Actual black membership in the Republican party is very little. And what few blacks rise to prominence within it do so by echoing the party line... which is seen by a majority of blacks in this country as anti-black. Do you not see the problem here?

    Now, if I were criticizing Carson, I would do so by noting that he is simply safely toeing the party line, and especially pandering to the anti-gay, hyper-religious, anti-science Republican base. If he were making some kind of waves, being somewhat of a maverick, and pushing policy that was actually beneficial to people other than rich (mostly white) men, then he would be worthy of note.
    I have to ask, what role is he playing?

    Is he a leader? does he gold office within the party? As far as I'm concerned he's just another hack looking for limelight.

    As far as representing mainstream Republicanism, you are going to have to support that with something more than opinion. Your posts are so openly hostile to Republicans it is impossible to accept your assertions on what is Republican policy.

    Lastly, for a guy the Democrats say can't get elected, they sure are spending a lot of time on him. What is it you are all so afraid of? Personally I suspect he will be a footnote if he gets the $ to run
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