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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Because I'm not really criticizing him. I'm criticizing the Republican party and how they view him and others like him. Proclaiming that they have black friends or gay friends doesn't change the actual results of their policies.
    No, by calling him a "token" you're not criticizing him at all. Of course you're not.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Fascinating. And since none of it has to do with the actions of the President of the United States,
    You know, you were discussing the fact that "we're no further along" with all of the politicians in favor of pot legalization. That has been proven categorically untrue.

    Now, you're moving on to focusing on the POTUS alone. Ignoring the fact that the DEA - which is ... you know... the office in charge of dealing with the enforcement of drug laws - would be under the domain of the POTUS and are covered in point 3 of my post. The DEA/FBI etc being restricted by the POTUS when it comes to drug enforcement definitely has brought us closer to legalization.

    Citing Ben Carson being definitively anti-marijuana and putting it into his policies is worth debating. Unless your contention is that he wouldn't in which case it would contradict his own statements on recreational marijuana.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    I definitely misspelled the word. That was my error. It was tertiary.

    It seems my mistakingly leaving out the second "t" in tertiary, in a post where I had previously used the words "primary" and "secondary" in describing the first two of three things, caused you to be completely and utterly unable to gleam what word I was meaning via contextual clues and thus unable to comprehend the entire post I made.

    As such, now that I've explained what the word was (tertiary, meaning "third in order), you can better understand what my previous post said. Or if you'd like I'll try a bit more basic summary of it below.

    Holding elected office is experience related to being President, an elected office.

    In terms of direct experience related to the Presidency...ie the Chief Executive and the Commander in Chief of the United States...there are generally three teirs of experience in my opinion, which is backed by the general broad thought process within the Political Science community and by history itself.

    Category 1 (Best Experience)
    1a. Executive experience in government (VP, Governor, perhaps to a lesser degree a mayor of a large city or lt. governor)
    1b. High ranking military command, typically when an election is during a time of war or heightened concerns on national security

    Category 2 (Lesser Experience)
    2a. Part of the US Senate
    2b. Part of the US House
    2c. A highly regarded executive cabinet member (like Secretary of State)

    Category 3 (Least Exeprience)
    3a. State legislature experience
    3b. Lower to mid ranking military experience
    3c. Executive experience in the private sector in a large capacity (large corporation, non-profit, big event like the olympics)

    While other types of experience may prove useful in various fashions...like being a Doctor as it relates to issues of health policy, or being a constitutional scholar...they are less direct primary experience to the job of the Presidency and are more, for lack of a better term, resume fillers.

    The vast majority of our Presidents in history have had category 1 experience (can't remember the exact percent, but I believe it was over 90% prior to Obama coming into power and I haven't recalculated since). 100% of our Presidents in history have had AT LEAST Category 2 experience. We have never elected a President who at best had Category 3 direct experience, let alone someone without ANY direct experience. I can't think of a major party nominee that would fit that bill either, though admittedly I know those off the top of my head less than I do the Presidents.

    Ben Carson does not even have experience that would merit a legitimate claim for falling within Category 3. He would be abjectly and unquestionably the least qualified President we would ever have, and would quite possibly...if he made the republican ticket...be the least Qualified major party presidentical candidate in at least the past 75 years.
    You know what? I'm sorry I posted 4 lines about your original post now. I don't know what "tertiary" means either. It isn't a word I use. But congratulations if your intent was to display how intelligent you are and how stupid I am because I don't know what "tertiary" means. Between this and your complete lack of comprehension on my question to you, it wasn't worth the effort. Thanks.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, by calling him a "token" you're not criticizing him at all. Of course you're not.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    You know, you were discussing the fact that "we're no further along" with all of the politicians in favor of pot legalization. That has been proven categorically untrue. Now, you're moving on to focusing on the POTUS alone. Ignoring the fact that the DEA - which is ... you know... the office in charge of dealing with the enforcement of drug laws - would be under the domain of the POTUS. This is point number 3 in my previous post. So yes, it does have to do with the position of POTUS.
    Because the President of the United States and his opinion on the legalization of marijuana doesn't seem relevant. Why? Because the one we have now hasn't done anything either.

    When the President of the United States has done something to make marijuana legal in this country, let me know. Until then, Dr. Ben Carson's opinion on the matter isn't relevant. If you want to not vote for Carson because of his opinion on the legalization of marijuana, that's fine, I'm sure. I personally don't care either way. Mkay?
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Because the one we have now hasn't done anything either.
    Again, this is categorically untrue.

    Directing the Justice Department to not challenge the laws in Colorado and Washington, and directing the DEA to not attempt to enforce the federal laws regarding marijuana usage on recreational users in those states, is absolutely doing something. It is facilitating the legal use of it in two of the fifty states of the union.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You know what? I'm sorry I posted 4 lines about your original post now. I don't know what "tertiary" means either. It isn't a word I use. But congratulations if your intent was to display how intelligent you are and how stupid I am because I don't know what "tertiary" means. Between this and your complete lack of comprehension on my question to you, it wasn't worth the effort. Thanks.
    Well done.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    You know what? I'm sorry I posted 4 lines about your original post now. I don't know what "tertiary" means either. It isn't a word I use. But congratulations if your intent was to display how intelligent you are and how stupid I am because I don't know what "tertiary" means. Between this and your complete lack of comprehension on my question to you, it wasn't worth the effort. Thanks.
    There's a lot of meanings...

    "Tertiary is the former term for the geologic period from 66 million to 2.58 million years ago,"

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    I have not ever seen such an over reaction to a mis-spelled word.

    For the record, what the oil sands are doing is called 'tertiary recovery' which seriously confuses the Obamaland opponents to Keystone....

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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Democrats today are like the dentist in Seinfeld who became a Jew just so he could make Jew jokes. Todays Democrats chose the Democrat party so that they could be racists and misogynists.
    heh heh ... good observation.
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