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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Nope, nobody said that. What is being questioned is your statement inferring that we're no further along. That's categorically false and ignores the reality of the legalization process. This statement:



    Again, it has been pointed out to you by Zyphlin and myself that that is false because of the steps which states have taken to legalize it and decriminalize it. They are proof positive that we are in fact further along. The federal government's role in all this comes from it's willingness to enforce federal law. As it stands, the federal government hasn't gone after people in states where it has been legalized. That is yet another step which brings us far closer to complete legalization. So in short we have:

    1. States that are legalizing and decriminalizing marijuana
    2. Politicians creating co-sponsored bills seeking marijuana legalization
    3. A federal government willing to abide by the states and not prosecute marijuana users/dealers in states that have decriminalized/legalized marijuana

    This is definitely a step forward from what we started from which was complete prohibition. Look, if you want to argue that the federal government has lagged behind state governments in legalizing marijuana, sure - few people disagree with that. However saying "we're no further along" is utter nonsense that shows complete ignorance of marijuana's legal history in the US. It's uninformed at best and completely false at worse.
    Fascinating. And since none of it has to do with the actions of the President of the United States, and it isn't relevant to Ben Carson, just as his opinion on the legalization of marijuana has nothing to do with anything because the President of the United States that we have now - as well as all of his predecessors - also didn't legalize marijuana, it's also not relevant - and not what I'm posting about. This thread is about Dr. Ben Carson, not how some of the states are legalizing marijuana.

    Hope that helps.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    And my original post, highlighting multiple right wing sources showing otherwise, was to indicate that your recollection was incorrect regarding reality.
    And it would have been worth reading had you not posted your condescending, obnoxious, paranoid post berating me for asking you a question.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Has Ben Carson hijacked the Republican party?

    I disagree with Dr. Carson's words completely. I, however, don't attribute his words to the entire GOP. And yes, the current GOP is too moderate. They don't believe in small government and low spending. Not everyone associates a party with what someone who self-identifies with them thinks about peoples' sexual preferences.
    The left see's the presidency as a means to advance social agendas primarily, not to run the nation.

    The GOP is too moderate, if the choice come down to democrat or democrat light, the dem will win.

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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    Fiscally moderate? The GOP, including the TP, are just as spend happy as the Dems. So I can agree with that. But socially? You're being dishonest if you think the current GOP is moderate on social issues. Which, BTW, is what is being talked about now concerning Mr. Carson. Drugs. Gays. education. Etc.

    Also it is confusing seeing so many conservatives here say that they don't agree with his views, but they defend him.
    I didn't say the GOP was fiscally moderate. They aren't. I didn't say anything about the GOP being socially anything. I said they don't believe in small government and low spending.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    The left see's the presidency as a means to advance social agendas primarily, not to run the nation.

    The GOP is too moderate, if the choice come down to democrat or democrat light, the dem will win.
    I would vote for a fiscally conservative, gun friendly Democrat 5000 times before I would cast one vote for a fiscally Liberal, anti-gun Republican any day.

    I honestly don't pay attention and never have to the candidates "social positions". I don't care about a candidates' religion, sexual preferences, college one night stands, and so on. I don't want their opinions on my views. As long as the candidate doesn't want to put me in a gulag because I smoke pot occasionally, I don't care what he thinks or does.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm sure Dr. Carson would appreciate you reducing him to a "token". Why didn't you just call him "Uncle Tom" while you were at it?
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I didn't say the GOP was fiscally moderate. They aren't. I didn't say anything about the GOP being socially anything. I said they don't believe in small government and low spending.
    I know, I was agreeing with your point about the GOP not being fiscally moderate.

    Maybe I wasn't being clear.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by SenorXm/Sirius View Post
    I know, I was agreeing with your point about the GOP not being fiscally moderate.

    Maybe I wasn't being clear.
    Yes, it was unclear why you said I was being dishonest when I said the GOP was socially moderate, especially considering I never said any such thing.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    I'm sure Dr. Carson would appreciate you reducing him to a "token". Why didn't you just call him "Uncle Tom" while you were at it?
    Because I'm not really criticizing him. I'm criticizing the Republican party and how they view him and others like him. Proclaiming that they have black friends or gay friends doesn't change the actual results of their policies.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    By the way, this made no sense to me. You kept repeating "teriary level". I have no idea what a "teriary level" is. There is no such word that I'm aware of.
    I definitely misspelled the word. That was my error. It was tertiary.

    It seems my mistakingly leaving out the second "t" in tertiary, in a post where I had previously used the words "primary" and "secondary" in describing the first two of three things, caused you to be completely and utterly unable to gleam what word I was meaning via contextual clues and thus unable to comprehend the entire post I made.

    As such, now that I've explained what the word was (tertiary, meaning "third in order), you can better understand what my previous post said. Or if you'd like I'll try a bit more basic summary of it below.

    Holding elected office is experience related to being President, an elected office.

    In terms of direct experience related to the Presidency...ie the Chief Executive and the Commander in Chief of the United States...there are generally three teirs of experience in my opinion, which is backed by the general broad thought process within the Political Science community and by history itself.

    Category 1 (Best Experience)
    1a. Executive experience in government (VP, Governor, perhaps to a lesser degree a mayor of a large city or lt. governor)
    1b. High ranking military command, typically when an election is during a time of war or heightened concerns on national security

    Category 2 (Lesser Experience)
    2a. Part of the US Senate
    2b. Part of the US House
    2c. A highly regarded executive cabinet member (like Secretary of State)

    Category 3 (Least Exeprience)
    3a. State legislature experience
    3b. Lower to mid ranking military experience
    3c. Executive experience in the private sector in a large capacity (large corporation, non-profit, big event like the olympics)

    While other types of experience may prove useful in various fashions...like being a Doctor as it relates to issues of health policy, or being a constitutional scholar...they are less direct primary experience to the job of the Presidency and are more, for lack of a better term, resume fillers.

    The vast majority of our Presidents in history have had category 1 experience (can't remember the exact percent, but I believe it was over 90% prior to Obama coming into power and I haven't recalculated since). 100% of our Presidents in history have had AT LEAST Category 2 experience. We have never elected a President who at best had Category 3 direct experience, let alone someone without ANY direct experience. I can't think of a major party nominee that would fit that bill either, though admittedly I know those off the top of my head less than I do the Presidents.

    Ben Carson does not even have experience that would merit a legitimate claim for falling within Category 3. He would be abjectly and unquestionably the least qualified President we would ever have, and would quite possibly...if he made the republican ticket...be the least Qualified major party presidentical candidate in at least the past 75 years.
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