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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Hatuey View Post
    Utter nonsense. If marijuana has been widely decriminalized and even legalized across various states than we are closer than we were when it was completely illegal. Your statement simply does not match up to legal reality.
    So Obama made marijuana legal in this country, the same as alcohol is legal for people over 21? When did that happen?
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Paschendale View Post
    Nobody is really fooled when the party of old white men has a few token candidates who aren't part of their preferred demographic. The policies the party supports are still detrimental to most women, most non-whites, most non-Christians, most gays, most poor people, and most of the middle class. Trotting out their couple of rich black friends, bible thumping women, or rich gays, all of whom are willing to take lesser rights in order to get more money or more religion in government, doesn't change the fact that the things they say and the ides they espouse are bad for most people in this country.

    Having a bit of diversity in Republican candidates doesn't mean much until there's diversity in their policies.
    I'm sure Dr. Carson would appreciate you reducing him to a "token". Why didn't you just call him "Uncle Tom" while you were at it?
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by DA60 View Post
    Apparently, he is against both gay marriage and legalizing pot plus he is a creationist.

    In other words, he is a dinosaur.

    NEXT!!!
    ... which means he believes dinosaurs were on Noah's Ark and Lions ate leaves in the Garden of Eden..... yeah, that'll sell.

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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So Obama made marijuana legal in this country,
    Nope, nobody said that. What is being questioned is your statement inferring that we're no further along. That's categorically false and ignores the reality of the legalization process. This statement:

    Why is it that we don't seem to be any further along with making that happen?
    Again, it has been pointed out to you by Zyphlin and myself that that is false because of the steps which states have taken to legalize it and decriminalize it. They are proof positive that we are in fact further along. The federal government's role in all this comes from it's willingness to enforce federal law. As it stands, the federal government hasn't gone after people in states where it has been legalized. That is yet another step which brings us far closer to complete legalization. So in short we have:

    1. States that are legalizing and decriminalizing marijuana
    2. Politicians creating co-sponsored bills seeking marijuana legalization
    3. A federal government willing to abide by the states and not prosecute marijuana users/dealers in states that have decriminalized/legalized marijuana

    This is definitely a step forward from what we started from which was complete prohibition. Look, if you want to argue that the federal government has lagged behind state governments in legalizing marijuana, sure - few people disagree with that. However saying "we're no further along" is utter nonsense that shows complete ignorance of marijuana's legal history in the US. It's uninformed at best and completely false at worse.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    No, I don't read American Thinker, WND or Blaze. You apparently do. I assume most Americans are mainstream and don't read partisan information.
    Funny, I don't remember stating that YOU personally made it an issue in 2008. I suggested "many on the right" did. Are you suggesting those at the American Thinker and those who read them aren't "the right"? Same for World net Daily? Same for Glenn Beck and company? How about Sean Hannity? I didn't realize that if Tres Borrachos doesn't directly read or think something than it is inherently non-existance amongst anyone in the right.

    Also, I don't particuarly read World Net Daily or The Blaze. I will occasionally read the American Thinker. I can however use this crazy thing called "google" and I did post on political message boards in 2008 when other people DID read and talk about those things. I know, crazy...you can know about something without directly actively reading it yourself.

    But nice deflection instead of actually addressing my counter to your insinuation that there weren't criticisms and attacks on obama regarding his religion.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Zyphlin View Post
    Funny, I don't remember stating that YOU personally made it an issue in 2008. I suggested "many on the right" did. Are you suggesting those at the American Thinker and those who read them aren't "the right"? Same for World net Daily? Same for Glenn Beck and company? How about Sean Hannity? I didn't realize that if Tres Borrachos doesn't directly read or think something than it is inherently non-existance amongst anyone in the right.

    Also, I don't particuarly read World Net Daily or The Blaze. I will occasionally read the American Thinker. I can however use this crazy thing called "google" and I did post on political message boards in 2008 when other people DID read and talk about those things. I know, crazy...you can know about something without directly actively reading it yourself.

    But nice deflection instead of actually addressing my counter to your insinuation that there weren't criticisms and attacks on obama regarding his religion.
    Let's quote my original post again, shall we:

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So just being a politician gives you experience to be President? Hmm....

    I don't recall that the criticism of Obama's connection with Wright had anything to do with religion. If I recall correctly, the issue people had with his affiliation with Wright was based on Wright's devisive and bordering on anti-American words. What specifically was it about Wright's religion that "many on the right" considered to be an issue?
    Now, let's see. I said that I don't recall, said that if I recall it correctly, and then asked you what it was specifically that "many on the right" considered to be an issue. Instead of answering my question, you made a condescending post, to which I replied that I don't read those publications. In response, you post an even more condescending post which was as uncalled for as your first one.

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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    So what has Obama done to make marijuana legal in this country? Nothing. What would Ben Carson's opinion on marijuana do to the legalization of marijuana in this country? Nothing.

    Which was my point.
    Again, just because you want to be sophmoric in this black and white notion doesn't mean everyone else has to ignore reality and walk that ridiculous path with you.

    The Obama Administration chose to not block the legalization by Colorado and Washington so long as they were regulated reasonably. Leading to the Justice Department allowing them to go into effect without judicial challenge. He's directed federal law enforcement to forgo targetting recreational weed users in those states despite the federal laws that are technically still being violated.

    By his actions as the chief executive, giving direction to the department of justice and various federal law enforcement entities, the President has allowed the legalization in two of the 50 states of this Union to continue deterred by federal action, creating a defacto legalization across the board in those states (effecitvely regulating many federal marijuana laws in those states to a similar level of a blue law. One that is on the books but not enforced).

    Is that a total legalization? Absolutely not. But it's significantly more of this country being legally allowed to buy, sell, and use marijuana than in "2006" as you put it without any federal action against such things. And it is instances like that which one could reasonably assume would not be taken by someone who takes an aggressive stance regarding the necessity of criminalization of marijuana.

    So no, while a Preisdent can not by fiat make marijuana legal, they can take a vast amount of action to essentially support or allow for it's use in a way that does not cause one to run afoul of the law.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Has Ben Carson hijacked the Republican party?

    I disagree with Dr. Carson's words completely. I, however, don't attribute his words to the entire GOP. And yes, the current GOP is too moderate. They don't believe in small government and low spending. Not everyone associates a party with what someone who self-identifies with them thinks about peoples' sexual preferences.
    Fiscally moderate? The GOP, including the TP, are just as spend happy as the Dems. So I can agree with that. But socially? You're being dishonest if you think the current GOP is moderate on social issues. Which, BTW, is what is being talked about now concerning Mr. Carson. Drugs. Gays. education. Etc.

    Also it is confusing seeing so many conservatives here say that they don't agree with his views, but they defend him.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by tres borrachos View Post
    Now, let's see. I said that I don't recall
    And my original post, highlighting multiple right wing sources showing otherwise, was to indicate that your recollection was incorrect regarding reality.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Top Cat View Post
    He a perfect republican. A conservative hack who plays to the right wing nut jobs. He thinks gay is a choice. So too is president. He won't be chosen.
    Lets find out together. And if he does not-it will largely be because of lefty smear tactics. The left will take rhetoric over competence any day.

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