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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

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    Oh phooey...

    Gravity is a law of physics.
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    oh but we do...

    It is what makes up.

    Up has no meaning without gravity and the down it creates, just as light has no meaning without the dark.
    Both evolution and gravity are scientific 'theories'. Each with so much supporting evidence they are essentially fact.

    And we don't know how gravity works, we don't know what causes it. The other fundamental forces propagate through particles. Gravity doesn't and we don't know why, hence the search for the Higgs boson. It doesn't change the fact that gravity is a law of physics (as you said), even though we don't fully understand it.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    Oh phooey...

    Gravity is a law of physics.
    Gravity is also a theory.
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    Well, certainly the customer is not an N-word.
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    You know her?

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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    That would be the logical conclusion, yes. The alternative is that he does respect the scientific method, but has chosen to eschew it as he cannot let go of his prior beliefs. That is even worse.
    Or, like many, science inspired his beliefs.
    It's the same principle. I do not want someone representing me who is unable to comprehend facts.
    Facts and beliefs are often quite different and usually quite harmless. It didn't matter that JFK was a Catholic or Bill Clinton a pretender. The real question, though not mentioned here, is whether they can govern well.
    My criticism isn't towards those who think Ben Carson or Barack Obama would be a good leader, my criticism is to those who are actually in power themselves. I don't really care if someone thinks Carson or Obama would be a good leader, their beliefs don't affect my life. The presidents beliefs would.
    His actions would. BHO and Reagan shared Christian beliefs, or so it was said, but governed quite differently. That's what is important.
    You can make this a partisan issue all you want. I'm not making this criticism because he's right and I'm left. In the grand scheme of things, I don't mind differences of opinion, they are healthy. More taxes, less taxes, more privatization, less privatization. Whatever, I can deal with that. What I do mind, is an inability to comprehend fact. Ignorance needs to be stamped out of our leadership and that is decided at the voting booth.
    I'm of the opinion BHO was too ignorant to be President but others obviously disagreed. Perhaps ignorance is in the eye of the beholder.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Grant View Post
    Or, like many, science inspired his beliefs.
    Facts and beliefs are often quite different and usually quite harmless. It didn't matter that JFK was a Catholic or Bill Clinton a pretender. The real question, though not mentioned here, is whether they can govern well. His actions would. BHO and Reagan shared Christian beliefs, or so it was said, but governed quite differently. That's what is important.
    I'm of the opinion BHO was too ignorant to be President yet but others obviously disagreed. Perhaps ignorance is in the eye of the beholder.
    Belief in god is not a scientific issue, it is a philosophical one, so differences in opinion don't bother me so much. I may not agree with the belief, but it is not indicative of a trait that would inhibit ability to lead.

    Not believing in evolution is not a matter of philosophy, it's a matter of cold hard facts, facts that Carson cannot seem to accept. That is not a trait I want in a leader.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    I like Ben Carson and would love to hear more about his ideas for the future.
    He'll be surrounding himself with great people, so I think he is someone to keep an eye on.

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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    Exactly. Yet we still accept it as true, and would give strange looks to someone who suggested it was the 'hand of god'.

    Same is true for evolution. *gasp*
    My point is that we dont even know enough to have a workable theory on it. We kind of know how it works from studying it on earth, and to a lesser extent in space-but no scientist will tell you how it works, just that it exists.

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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Deuce View Post
    Gravity is also a theory.
    Actually its technically a law...laws were intended to apply to all places at all times universally, and were named by Newton.

    Since science no longer believes that (and in the case of gravity has no idea how it works) its more recently called a theory.

    So the laws are still called laws, but more recently everything is called a theory.

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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    My point is that we dont even know enough to have a workable theory on it. We kind of know how it works from studying it on earth, and to a lesser extent in space-but no scientist will tell you how it works, just that it exists.
    We do.

    Anyway, we still know it's real, because we observe the effects of gravity. Likewise, we know evolution is real because we observe the effects of it. There may be a few things we can find more about, but that doesn't mean that the 'theory' isn't established fact. Again, bringing things back to Carson, that he is able to dismiss evolution when being so versed (apparently) in the scientific method, is indicative of an inability to consider the facts when making a decision.
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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

    Quote Originally Posted by Nilly View Post
    We do.

    Anyway, we still know it's real, because we observe the effects of gravity. Likewise, we know evolution is real because we observe the effects of it. There may be a few things we can find more about, but that doesn't mean that the 'theory' isn't established fact. Again, bringing things back to Carson, that he is able to dismiss evolution when being so versed (apparently) in the scientific method, is indicative of an inability to consider the facts when making a decision.
    We dont know, beyond what we can observe empirically. No scientist will claim otherwise.

    And for Carson, he happens to be one of the leading pediatric neurosurgeons on earth (there aren't many). Do you know what surgeons do? All they DO is make important often life or death decisions and then execute with their own hands. They also have absolute responsibility for a persons life at all stages-everyone answers to them and they bear the responsibility if something goes wrong-so they run a VERY tight ship. I work with surgeons who moonlight as intensivists in the ICU. Thats what they do for OT.

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    Re: Ben Carson forms presidential exploratory committee

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    You know the nut job Lyndon Larouche runs as a Democrat every presidential election and gets no support from the Democratic base because he is a total nut job. Yet, a lunatic like Ben Carson polls 2nd or 3rd among Republican candidates. Seriously, the guy's quotes are a treasure trove of insanity.

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