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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Chainsaw View Post
    Holy sh1t, the issue is not that people she emailed knew she was using the private system, the issue is documenting official US business communications. So based on your justification, there is NO NEED for government employees to use the government system to archive their communications???

    PS, so what if your husband cheated on you over and over and over again etc etc. Would you, or any feminist or woman of self-respect allow that?
    Bubba's serial philandering was always part of the deal, I think; Lewinsky was different because of the public humiliation. But the private stuff doesn't have anything to do with the e-mail system.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    Clinton had no official State Dept. email address - CNN.com



    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us...lags.html?_r=0



    Wow. She created a private domain to house her email on the first day of her confirmation hearings in 2009, and never had an official federal email account.


    How is it that nobody at the federal level thought to ask why everything that went to Clinton was off the books?
    I don't support the recording keeping laws to begin with. That said, what she did was not illegal; she has turned over the records, and given China and Russian hacking the federal government, it probably wasn't the worst idea ever.
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Its actually perfectly clear.
    I think I will take this guy's opinion over your's. He actually knows what he's talking about:

    Her expansive use of the private account was alarming to current and former National Archives and Records Administration officials and government watchdogs, who called it a serious breach.

    “It is very difficult to conceive of a scenario — short of nuclear winter — where an agency would be justified in allowing its cabinet-level head officer to solely use a private email communications channel for the conduct of government business,” said Jason R. Baron, a lawyer at Drinker Biddle & Reath who is a former director of litigation at the National Archives and Records Administration.
    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us...lags.html?_r=0

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    Uhm, no. You're talking about the Presidential and Federal Records Acountability Act of 2014 which allowed a a means to disicipline those that broke the Federal Records Act. Under Bill Clinton, emails became federal records meant to be archived in accordance with the Federal records act of 1950.
    Federal Records Act (1950)
    The head of each Federal agency shall make and preserve records containing adequate and proper documentation of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the agency and designed to furnish the information necessary to protect the legal and financial rights of the Government and of persons directly affected by the agency’s activities. (44 U.S. Code § 3101)
    The Department of State also considers pertinent e-mail as federal property
    Another important modern improvement is the ease of communication now afforded to the Department world-wide through the use of E-mail. . . . All employees must be aware that some of the variety of the messages being exchanged on E-mail are important to the Department and must be preserved; such messages are considered Federal records under the law. (5 FAM [Foreign Affairs Manual] 443.1)


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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

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    Quote Originally Posted by Grim17 View Post
    Is it my imagination, or does it seem like since Obama took office that democrats have acted like the rules no longer apply to them? They seem to defy the law at will and don't give a damn who knows.
    This is a practice that was going on under the Bush Administration as well. This is a systemic problem and it is unacceptable it has been going on this long.
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Lol...

    Name the Bush appointee that purposefully used a private Email account so he or she could stay under the radar.

    This is just more corrupt , low life Democrat obstruction.
    Quote Originally Posted by j-mac View Post
    You're right Fenton....And all the demo's have is deflection, and childish "Bush did it too" crap to counter....I'd be happy to see her in cuffs.
    Holy crap. Either you all are blinded by partisanship or you are so cynical you think everyone else is blinded by partisanship. First, I'm not a Democrat. Second, I am not a Hillary Clinton supporter. I think she would make a horrible President.

    But this problem of using personal emails HAS been going on way too long. Secretary Kerry is the first Secretary of State, ever, to predominantly use the government email address. Secretary Hagel, the freaking Secretary of Defense, also used non-government emails.

    And, yes, it happened back during the Bush era as well with other high level officials such as Karl Rove. The Chairman of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee at the time said the exchange indicated that in some instances, White House officials were using nongovernmental accounts "specifically to avoid creating a record of communications" that are nonetheless subject to the committee's jurisdiction.

    I am not using the "Bush did it too crap" as a counter. I am using it to hit home the point that it is inexcusable that this stuff has been going on WAY too long. Probably even before Bush. Hiding emails from oversight is just one of the problems to this. If the government isn't in control of the servers these emails are sitting on, then the government isn't in control of the SECURITY of the servers either. Even if they are not sending classified emails on these accounts it would still be a prime target for foreign intelligence agencies.

    This is serious ****, regardless of the politics of the people doing it. This is a systemic problem that has to be fixed NOW.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    The Clintons from their teen years devoted their lives to their own style of corruption in politics including murder. They are where they both conspired to be knowing politics is the prostitute and they are the pimp.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Just so we're clear, the Secretary of State hardly needs an official email address (and especially doesn't need to cull out all the spam, viruses, and other junk). He or she has plenty of aides to handle correspondence.

    That being said, doing government business from a personal email account is a definite no-no.
    Having worked on administration teams for Federal email servers for a decade, this statement is false.

    First, unless you are using your official email to sign up for OKCUPID or open an Amazon account your aren't going to be inundated by Spam.

    Second, it is a legal requirement that all official communication be saved in perpetuity which a private email account is created to circumvent.

    Third, private email servers are far more vulnerable to hacks and exposure than are federal email systems.
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Just so we're clear, the Secretary of State hardly needs an official email address (and especially doesn't need to cull out all the spam, viruses, and other junk). He or she has plenty of aides to handle correspondence.

    That being said, doing government business from a personal email account is a definite no-no.
    How very kind of you to call it a no-no. The Sec State is a govt employee (elected), not a ****ing goddess. She gets a govt email account like everyone else. That being said, she ran her own ****ing private server. The question is, WHY?

    AP News : Clinton ran own computer system for her official emails
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by BrewerBob View Post
    Holy crap. Either you all are blinded by partisanship or you are so cynical you think everyone else is blinded by partisanship. First, I'm not a Democrat. Second, I am not a Hillary Clinton supporter. I think she would make a horrible President.

    But this problem of using personal emails HAS been going on way too long. Secretary Kerry is the first Secretary of State, ever, to predominantly use the government email address. Secretary Hagel, the freaking Secretary of Defense, also used non-government emails.

    And, yes, it happened back during the Bush era as well with other high level officials such as Karl Rove. The Chairman of the Oversight and Government Reform Committee at the time said the exchange indicated that in some instances, White House officials were using nongovernmental accounts "specifically to avoid creating a record of communications" that are nonetheless subject to the committee's jurisdiction.

    I am not using the "Bush did it too crap" as a counter. I am using it to hit home the point that it is inexcusable that this stuff has been going on WAY too long. Probably even before Bush. Hiding emails from oversight is just one of the problems to this. If the government isn't in control of the servers these emails are sitting on, then the government isn't in control of the SECURITY of the servers either. Even if they are not sending classified emails on these accounts it would still be a prime target for foreign intelligence agencies.

    This is serious ****, regardless of the politics of the people doing it. This is a systemic problem that has to be fixed NOW.
    I endorse 100%.

    Unfortunately there are only rare times that anyone in the Government is held accountable because those who would be taking the steps to punish the infractions are likely doing it themselves.

    The corruption in the upper levels of the Federal Government to avoid FOIA is an epidemic. At this point they are all doing it because if they followed the rules they would make easy targets come election time.

    The whole apparatus needs to be burned down and start over and there needs to be an independent review and harsh penalties for politicians found in breech of public trust.
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I endorse 100%.

    Unfortunately there are only rare times that anyone in the Government is held accountable because those who would be taking the steps to punish the infractions are likely doing it themselves.

    The corruption in the upper levels of the Federal Government to avoid FOIA is an epidemic. At this point they are all doing it because if they followed the rules they would make easy targets come election time.

    The whole apparatus needs to be burned down and start over and there needs to be an independent review and harsh penalties for politicians found in breech of public trust.
    Yep. I was DoD AND worked in embassies on State systems. The senior people do things with impunity that us low level guys would be hung out to dry for. And the ramifications of THEIR correspondence being compromised would be more serious. It is all a joke. I sure as hell don't miss being a part of it.

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