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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Goodness, the link about Powell was in the post you quoted, and if you don't recall the Bush era email controversy, you've been living in the right wing bubble for years. But here's a link to get you started: Bush White House email controversy - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
    If the Bush email controversy was bad in your mind, why did Hillary not learn from it and why are you defending her? Hillary bitching about the Bush email 'scandal' then doing the same thing only worse herself is hypocrisy. To the left, Bush is the worst president in history, yet every time a dem does something wrong, the response is well, Bush did it too. If you are admitting that Hillary is as bad as Bush, why is she running? And why are democrats handing her the nomination?

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Fletch View Post
    If the Bush email controversy was bad in your mind, why did Hillary not learn from it and why are you defending her? Hillary bitching about the Bush email 'scandal' then doing the same thing only worse herself is hypocrisy. To the left, Bush is the worst president in history, yet every time a dem does something wrong, the response is well, Bush did it too. If you are admitting that Hillary is as bad as Bush, why is she running? And why are democrats handing her the nomination?
    It's the way liberals/progressives/socialists/Democrats operate. By linking what they do to what Republicans did...no matter how bad...they think that gives them moral standing to do it also. We see this with many issues...

    Bush lied. (therefore it's okay if Obama lies)
    Bush, Reagan, etc., issued EO's and EA's. (therefore it's okay if Obama issues them...even if they trample on the Constitution)
    Bush started wars in the Middle East. (therefore it's okay if Obama starts wars in the Middle East...this one is especially hypocritical because they THEN go on about how Obama "stops" wars in the Middle East )
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    It's the way liberals/progressives/socialists/Democrats operate. By linking what they do to what Republicans did...no matter how bad...they think that gives them moral standing to do it also. We see this with many issues...

    Bush lied. (therefore it's okay if Obama lies)
    Bush, Reagan, etc., issued EO's and EA's. (therefore it's okay if Obama issues them...even if they trample on the Constitution)
    Bush started wars in the Middle East. (therefore it's okay if Obama starts wars in the Middle East...this one is especially hypocritical because they THEN go on about how Obama "stops" wars in the Middle East )
    Why is it that, every time you raise this argument, you fail to mention that both sides are hypocrites?
    I fight against the ignorant, irresponsible, and/or closed-minded.
    This group is the worst enemy of America and its freedoms. It includes, but is not limited to, all Trump supporters.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    Why is it that, every time you raise this argument, you fail to mention that both sides are hypocrites?
    Fletch was talking about Hillary and her supporters, so that's who I talked about.

    But hey, if you want to talk about how "the GOP does it too", be my guest. All you'll be doing is proving my point.
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    Fletch was talking about Hillary and her supporters, so that's who I talked about.

    But hey, if you want to talk about how "the GOP does it too", be my guest. All you'll be doing is proving my point.
    No need for me to talk about it. It's already been (rightly) said.
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    No need for me to talk about it. It's already been (rightly) said.
    ??

    Then why are you talking about it?
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Mycroft View Post
    ??

    Then why are you talking about it?
    I just don't trust people who claim that one party is wonderful and the other is borderline treasonous.

    Admitting that both are hypocrites is a good step in the correct direction.
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    I just don't trust people who claim that one party is wonderful and the other is borderline treasonous.

    Admitting that both are hypocrites is a good step in the correct direction.
    Oh...

    Pray tell, when did I say that "one party is wonderful"? Or that "the other is borderline treasonous"?

    You would be well-served by actually responding to what I said...not what your biased perception THINKS I said.
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    I just don't trust people who claim that one party is wonderful and the other is borderline treasonous.

    Admitting that both are hypocrites is a good step in the correct direction.
    "Correct" according to whom? You?
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    LOL, I guess her trial can start right after they convict and jail Powell for the same offense, only he's turned over ZERO of his emails, so his prosecution should be quick and easy. And then we can move on to the Bush WH which routinely used RNC servers, and the administrators there expertly and permanently deleted millions of WH emails that weren't ever recovered and to my knowledge none of which were turned over to the archivist. So after we get a couple dozen or more Bush era people jailed, we can start with Obama appointees.

    This is the problem many people have explained about the Clintons. There really IS an issue here, but the problem is her detractors blow up any problem into a jailable, or impeachable offense (whatever remedy suits them at the moment) and so her defenders have to pretend that there isn't any problem at all. So instead of discussing the actual issues, we've got most of the country sitting on pretty untenable positions JAIL!@!!! or She's INNOCENT!!! CONSPIRACY!!!

    The truth is she probably didn't break any law by using a private email account, and she did turn over her records (at least no one has proved she didn't) satisfying the record keeping laws, which have no time frame specified. And she didn't do anything more or less illegal than her predecessors in her position. But she didn't follow regulations of her own department, and seems to have clearly decided on a personal account to have "control" over which emails get released.
    Regurgitation of Democratic spin-master talking points does not make their disingenuous and misleading red herrings any more appealing.

    First, Hillary Clinton is "the only secretary of state known to have conducted all official unclassified government business on a private email address. Years earlier, when emailing was not the ubiquitous practice it is now among high officials, Colin Powell used both a government and a private account. It's a striking departure from the norm for top officials to rely exclusively on private email for official business.".

    Second, Powell took charge of a department that was antiquated and mostly without email systems. He was the one that had a modern email system put into the department, and the first to develop department processes for handling something that was new to staff. As a new process, archiving regulations were not clear and not clarified until 2005, after Powell left. The State Department then updated the Foreign Affairs manual to say that day-to-day operations should be conducted on the authorized system. (Therefore Hillary Clinton was well aware of the requirement).

    Third, Powell is not refusing to turn over emails. The request is for information 10 or more years old, made with an account long closed. He has said he has no problem with recovering ALL email from the old account, working with State to see if any can be recovered.

    Four, in contrast Clinton's staff "negotiated" with her return of emails since August and has refused to give access to her server, and its deleted emails.

    Five, in 2009, the year Clinton became secretary, federal regulations codified that a contemporary transfer to archives is required of personal e-mails used for official business.

    One has to measure the actions by the standards, assumptions, laws and intentions of the respective persons at the time of their service. In that light the Washington Post Fact-Checker gives your regurgitated defense of Hillary 3 Pinocchios, and Polit-Fact Checker gives it a "Mostly False".

    http://www.washingtonpost.com/blogs/...intons-emails/
    http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/...and-her-emails

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