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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    I agree, and have not said so, much in the past, as you really get hammered in typical Obama defense strategy, beginning with pointing out Nixon was a Republican.

    The arrogance and swagger is there. I can see Obama saying "I can bomb anybody I want, I'm the president." I can also see that he is as much the egotist as Nixon, and believe he is above the law, simply because he is president. If it should come down to it, and similar hearings have to be held, watch as Obama repeats every step of resistance through the courts, the same "executive privilege" with "national security" now thrown in for good measure.

    Americans will have to get a handle on that, the corruption and arrogance if they ever hope to deal seriously with the growing list of ills too long ignored. I do not oppose Obama so much for lying, for abandoning American principles for domestic politics, nor so much the shabby treatment of his allies, but I do damn him outright for having squandered one of the greatest opportunities the country has had to make change. He had a full majority and being an asshole, thought his players would never change.

    Had it been a real leader, he would have walked into the Oval Office, called the leaders, plural, of the Republican party and have them over to the White House for a serious chat. The Kind FDR, Eisenhower, Kennedy, Reagan held with them, to find where there was common ground and build on that. I once saw a piece seven years ago that said Obama had the votes in both houses to make changes in immigration, provided he accepted that the flow now had to be stopped. Instead he shot back with an insulting reference to "alligators and moats"

    The man has no concept of other's needs, that they have egos too, and that when called out, they react. They have, and now he faces a wall of democracy which he is meeting like a spoiled school boy denied his toys and is now stomping his feet making threats he cannot carry out.

    In the end, there are many similarities, too many, between the Nixon White House and it's "German Shepherds"
    That was very good, and I especially appreciate it as a "foreigner" intimately aware of our politics here. Obama is a petulant, spoiled child of a community organizer (I know that's overused, but remains true) that only knows an "in your face" reaction to anything that requires a well considered appreciation of an opposing viewpoint. We see that all the time here on DP. The question ultimately becomes that in which one must consider whether stomping out all opposition to the president's view is moving the nation forward, or destroying all that makes the nation a vibrant seat of democracy and free-thinking. I maintain the latter is the true reflection of the left's approach here, and it's self-destructive even though they fail to appreciate the damage they're wreaking - on themselves as well as that which they claim to despise.

    There will be a reaction from the WH simply because they are inextricably tied to Clinton's State Department. Obama will not be able to help himself in that regard, although it's clear that he'd prefer someone other than Clinton to bear the left's standard. How he splits the middle of the goat will be interesting, and the republicans ought to be aware that such a thing is precisely what he'll want to do. He'll need Valerie Jarrett and David Axlerod as handlers to keep him in check - to keep him from his normal reaction. I don't think those people, and I don't mean to be all-inclusive there, will be able to do that. I think he'll not be able to keep himself from "breaking bad" when the real pressure comes to bear. It'll tell on him to entire nation.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You're a couple of days behind the news - no one has any clue where the server is, but it's about a 99.999% probability it ain't in her basement. That AP story that alleged that was laughably sloppy - it assumed that because the bills went to her house the server was at her house.
    "No one" is a bit of a stretch. I would bet that wench Hillary Clinton knows where it is.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    That was very good, and I especially appreciate it as a "foreigner" intimately aware of our politics here. Obama is a petulant, spoiled child of a community organizer (I know that's overused, but remains true) that only knows an "in your face" reaction to anything that requires a well considered appreciation of an opposing viewpoint. We see that all the time here on DP. The question ultimately becomes that in which one must consider whether stomping out all opposition to the president's view is moving the nation forward, or destroying all that makes the nation a vibrant seat of democracy and free-thinking. I maintain the latter is the true reflection of the left's approach here, and it's self-destructive even though they fail to appreciate the damage they're wreaking - on themselves as well as that which they claim to despise.

    There will be a reaction from the WH simply because they are inextricably tied to Clinton's State Department. Obama will not be able to help himself in that regard, although it's clear that he'd prefer someone other than Clinton to bear the left's standard. How he splits the middle of the goat will be interesting, and the republicans ought to be aware that such a thing is precisely what he'll want to do. He'll need Valerie Jarrett and David Axlerod as handlers to keep him in check - to keep him from his normal reaction. I don't think those people, and I don't mean to be all-inclusive there, will be able to do that. I think he'll not be able to keep himself from "breaking bad" when the real pressure comes to bear. It'll tell on him to entire nation.
    I think BHO's people probably fed the Hillary email story to the NYT in the first place.
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Already done many times by many posters. No longer honoring bad faith requests.
    It's the left's way of attempting to bully their debate opposition.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    That was very good, and I especially appreciate it as a "foreigner" intimately aware of our politics here. Obama is a petulant, spoiled child of a community organizer (I know that's overused, but remains true) that only knows an "in your face" reaction to anything that requires a well considered appreciation of an opposing viewpoint. We see that all the time here on DP. The question ultimately becomes that in which one must consider whether stomping out all opposition to the president's view is moving the nation forward, or destroying all that makes the nation a vibrant seat of democracy and free-thinking. I maintain the latter is the true reflection of the left's approach here, and it's self-destructive even though they fail to appreciate the damage they're wreaking - on themselves as well as that which they claim to despise.

    There will be a reaction from the WH simply because they are inextricably tied to Clinton's State Department. Obama will not be able to help himself in that regard, although it's clear that he'd prefer someone other than Clinton to bear the left's standard. How he splits the middle of the goat will be interesting, and the republicans ought to be aware that such a thing is precisely what he'll want to do. He'll need Valerie Jarrett and David Axlerod as handlers to keep him in check - to keep him from his normal reaction. I don't think those people, and I don't mean to be all-inclusive there, will be able to do that. I think he'll not be able to keep himself from "breaking bad" when the real pressure comes to bear. It'll tell on him to entire nation.
    What Obama does or doesn't do with this will be interesting. I have not abandoned the theory that the White House is aiding this scandal. Right now, clearly, they are sitting on it, waiting, which is the smart strategy.

    I don't think Obama has handlers in the traditional sense. Jarret and co., are errand people, they carry the bags and throw the snowballs. Obama is not the kind of guy who wants a differing opinion around, someone who might rattle the over-sized confidence he has in himself.

    It has always been so, with the left, that opposing opinions are not allowed. There is no greater group of people who interpret freedom of expression, which is what we have here, means you can say anything you like so long as we agree with it. University campuses, which should be the center of freedom of expression are now places of freedom of expression of their ideas. Try to put up a poster of an unborn fetus on a campus anywhere in North America. They cannot comprehend the leftist ideology of the 18th century, the then "liberal" concept of "I may not necessarily agree with what you say,. but I will defend to my death your right to say it." [Now attributed to an American, although it was a French philosopher of the left at that time.

    They then sneer at the constitution, it's old, the founding fathers could not have foreseen.....which is why they made an amending formula, but that's a mere detail. What they don't see with the "Bush did it to" excuse, or the arguments of mitigation, is that it might be to their advantage today, but tomorrow when the other side is calling the shots, they will scream "tyranny" and be correct, tyranny they brought to the fore.

    Having had the benefit of a US education though high school, and a good one then, and watching Canada muddle through its own constitution and a "Charter of Rights and Freedoms" the view from here is different. I see Canada becoming the world leader in freedoms, while Americans surrenders theirs with relish. The right has insisted on draconian laws to fight "terrorism" and ripped away most of your freedoms. Obama rules by decree and the left cheers him on, it's justified in reaching that all important "agenda" that keeps changing. So from both sides, the erosion occurs and no one notices. A foreign leader is INVITED to speak, and his integrity and his nation are attacked viciously because he dared have an opinion, slightly different than Obama. How then is say a college senior able to question him, or other politicians; they have been made into not only "enemies" but enemies out to destroy America.

    They will howl like crazy and run for the border as they did during Vietnam, when another Nixon strolls into the White House, pronounces Democrats as "enemies", and saying "Obama did it too" order IRS audits of every registered Democrat in the country.

    By then I hope will have sealed the border.
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    I think BHO's people probably fed the Hillary email story to the NYT in the first place.
    Most likely. They wouldn't run with it otherwise. Obama's people have been careful, but perhaps not quite enough. The firewall they've erected is not insurmountable, and they should not consider themselves beyond reach. The Clintons can be vengeful and they have political power with a significant following. Their money hasn't been raised for simple pleasure. They already have more than enough for that. Should be interesting.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    What Obama does or doesn't do with this will be interesting. I have not abandoned the theory that the White House is aiding this scandal. Right now, clearly, they are sitting on it, waiting, which is the smart strategy.

    I don't think Obama has handlers in the traditional sense. Jarret and co., are errand people, they carry the bags and throw the snowballs. Obama is not the kind of guy who wants a differing opinion around, someone who might rattle the over-sized confidence he has in himself.

    It has always been so, with the left, that opposing opinions are not allowed. There is no greater group of people who interpret freedom of expression, which is what we have here, means you can say anything you like so long as we agree with it. University campuses, which should be the center of freedom of expression are now places of freedom of expression of their ideas. Try to put up a poster of an unborn fetus on a campus anywhere in North America. They cannot comprehend the leftist ideology of the 18th century, the then "liberal" concept of "I may not necessarily agree with what you say,. but I will defend to my death your right to say it." [Now attributed to an American, although it was a French philosopher of the left at that time.

    They then sneer at the constitution, it's old, the founding fathers could not have foreseen.....which is why they made an amending formula, but that's a mere detail. What they don't see with the "Bush did it to" excuse, or the arguments of mitigation, is that it might be to their advantage today, but tomorrow when the other side is calling the shots, they will scream "tyranny" and be correct, tyranny they brought to the fore.

    Having had the benefit of a US education though high school, and a good one then, and watching Canada muddle through its own constitution and a "Charter of Rights and Freedoms" the view from here is different. I see Canada becoming the world leader in freedoms, while Americans surrenders theirs with relish. The right has insisted on draconian laws to fight "terrorism" and ripped away most of your freedoms. Obama rules by decree and the left cheers him on, it's justified in reaching that all important "agenda" that keeps changing. So from both sides, the erosion occurs and no one notices. A foreign leader is INVITED to speak, and his integrity and his nation are attacked viciously because he dared have an opinion, slightly different than Obama. How then is say a college senior able to question him, or other politicians; they have been made into not only "enemies" but enemies out to destroy America.

    They will howl like crazy and run for the border as they did during Vietnam, when another Nixon strolls into the White House, pronounces Democrats as "enemies", and saying "Obama did it too" order IRS audits of every registered Democrat in the country.

    By then I hope will have sealed the border.
    Heh. You don't have enough people to seal the border. We'll be coming, even if it's cold. The warmth of freedom is all that's required.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Heh. You don't have enough people to seal the border. We'll be coming, even if it's cold. The warmth of freedom is all that's required.

    We do not need people to seal the border, that's why we have beaver.

    For those that want quiet, polite and easy going, we open our arms. For those who bring their homeland politics with them, it will be uncomfortable and lonely. We don't care. We won't listen. Living in the shadow of a giant you learn to ignore, and stay under the radar. No one dislikes us save Iran. Even Kim Jung Un thinks we're cool, "but enough with that human rights crap". A Canadian passport is gold, anywhere in the world, although ISIS is a might pissed with us now. That's fine, Iran has been trying to wage war with us since Reagan.

    We are a socialist country, for all intents and purposes; universal health care since 1967, a solid social safety net, a standard of living on par with the US...however the politics is boring. We have no left right argument, although people argue. Stephen Harper is boring, Justin Trudeau is interesting but......and the left, well, they do what they do and pretend they're a force nationally when they occasionally make government provincially. Then the people wake from their slumber like bears, hungry and mean and kick them out. That's as interesting as it gets save the age old argument over who is leaving this decade, which language should be prominent in advertising and when will the leafs ever become a real hockey team?

    Yeah it's good. But war we don't do, have never started one, and finished a few, thank you. So if it gets too weird, head on up, mind the beaver, and bring mittens.
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    We do not need people to seal the border, that's why we have beaver.

    For those that want quiet, polite and easy going, we open our arms. For those who bring their homeland politics with them, it will be uncomfortable and lonely. We don't care. We won't listen. Living in the shadow of a giant you learn to ignore, and stay under the radar. No one dislikes us save Iran. Even Kim Jung Un thinks we're cool, "but enough with that human rights crap". A Canadian passport is gold, anywhere in the world, although ISIS is a might pissed with us now. That's fine, Iran has been trying to wage war with us since Reagan.

    We are a socialist country, for all intents and purposes; universal health care since 1967, a solid social safety net, a standard of living on par with the US...however the politics is boring. We have no left right argument, although people argue. Stephen Harper is boring, Justin Trudeau is interesting but......and the left, well, they do what they do and pretend they're a force nationally when they occasionally make government provincially. Then the people wake from their slumber like bears, hungry and mean and kick them out. That's as interesting as it gets save the age old argument over who is leaving this decade, which language should be prominent in advertising and when will the leafs ever become a real hockey team?

    Yeah it's good. But war we don't do, have never started one, and finished a few, thank you. So if it gets too weird, head on up, mind the beaver, and bring mittens.
    I'm not too worried about socialsim if it's not an agenda focused on control. Canada had the second largest standing army in the world by the end of WWII. We thank you for that - at least those of us who appreciate what we were fighting thank you. The rest are focused on the next video offering, and appreciate nothing of any worth whatever. We'll be leaving them behind, if it comes down to it.

    I'm 65. It's not likely I'll make the permanent trip. My sons, however, have been encouraged to influence politics here as well as they can, and to ditch the place if it looks untenable. Freedom is paramount, whether it's socialist freedom, capitalist freedom, or whatever freedom. What's in a name? Homeland politics here are largely poisoned, so those who make it an objective are likely to become poisoned themselves. Hopefully, this will change, but I fear it will be a long time coming unless it gets violent - and I'm not a fan of violence with my fellow travelers whatever their disposition. Americans are Americans, or at least I hope so. Doesn't seem that way of late, but much that has been accepted as the norm seems to be in question just now. We'll see.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    We do not need people to seal the border, that's why we have beaver.

    For those that want quiet, polite and easy going, we open our arms. For those who bring their homeland politics with them, it will be uncomfortable and lonely. We don't care. We won't listen. Living in the shadow of a giant you learn to ignore, and stay under the radar. No one dislikes us save Iran. Even Kim Jung Un thinks we're cool, "but enough with that human rights crap". A Canadian passport is gold, anywhere in the world, although ISIS is a might pissed with us now. That's fine, Iran has been trying to wage war with us since Reagan.

    We are a socialist country, for all intents and purposes; universal health care since 1967, a solid social safety net, a standard of living on par with the US...however the politics is boring. We have no left right argument, although people argue. Stephen Harper is boring, Justin Trudeau is interesting but......and the left, well, they do what they do and pretend they're a force nationally when they occasionally make government provincially. Then the people wake from their slumber like bears, hungry and mean and kick them out. That's as interesting as it gets save the age old argument over who is leaving this decade, which language should be prominent in advertising and when will the leafs ever become a real hockey team?

    Yeah it's good. But war we don't do, have never started one, and finished a few, thank you. So if it gets too weird, head on up, mind the beaver, and bring mittens.
    As a finale, I admit I'm fading tonight. Busy day today, and a busy one tomorrow. I just turned the tube on, and all I can say is "To hell with LaHood". Clint Eastwood isn't bad sometimes. The badest guy gets to win and shoot others with impunity all while being hailed a hero. Not bad, all in all. Most have dreamed of it. Few would admit it beyond cheering when it happens. Bill and Hillary are probably dreaming of it right now.

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