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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    You've just recited a bunch of rules then asserted without evidence that they apply to emails. And when the NYT reporter was challenged about the specific law Hillary was alleged to have broken, he finally referred to a section of the National Archives regulations that dealt with transferring her private emails to a government server.

    Just for example, the amendments to the Federal Records Act explicitly ALLOW for use of private email accounts - thanks to Issa.

    It's possible that some law was broken, but it's not been proven. For example, if she transferred classified documents via email, that might be a violation. So which email did that? Etc.
    Look, JasperL, I don't really give a damn if you trust my credentials or not, but this is my line of work. The private email use by federal officials is solely for the purposes of adhering to the Hatch Act. It is most definitely illegal to store classified data or privileged communication on a private computer (ask General Petraeus). I mean, seriously dude, this crap is boilerplate plastered on every wallpaper on every federal computer in the whole country. Every federal employee and contractor is required to go through annual training that tells your precisely not to do this crap or you will go to jail.

    Your ignorance of the law is not a compelling argument.
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The original 1950 Act was in force during Clinton's SecState tenure.
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    How is it that nobody at the federal level thought to ask why everything that went to Clinton was off the books?
    I have heard that John Kerry was the first SoS to have an official gov e-mail.

    If no SoS had an official gov e-mail, how would someone have thought to wonder why a SoS followed the SOP?

    Quote Originally Posted by Erod View Post
    Clintons don't operate by law or morality.
    Was a law broken?
    If so, which one?
    If not, then we're just pointing out that she was not engaged in best practices?
    I may be wrong.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Simon W. Moon View Post
    I have heard that John Kerry was the first SoS to have an official gov e-mail.

    If no SoS had an official gov e-mail, how would someone have thought to wonder why a SoS followed the SOP?
    There were only 4 previous Sec of State that could potential have had email: Warren Christopher, Madeline Albright, Colin Powell, and Condoleezza Rice.

    * Rice apparently rarely used email, but when she did, she used the official State Department email. This claim is not at odds with current State spokeswoman Harf who stated Kerry had the first "state.gov" email.
    * Powell had a private account, but there is no information as to how often it was used or who provided the implementation.
    * Albright & Christopher both didn't have an email account.

    The State Department's own rules, sent out by Sec State Clinton, specifically prohibited using non-government email for official business. Additionally, people that worked with Clinton at State are starting to state that she also used IM for business( I assume Lync, since the email was via Outlook )

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Here's a nice breakdown of the lack of security:

    How Unsafe Was Hillary Clinton's Secret Staff Email System?
    When Hillary Clinton ditched government email in favor of a secret, personal address, it wasn't just an affront to Obama's vaunted transparency agenda—security experts consulted by Gawker have laid out a litany of potential threats that may have exposed her email conversations to potential interception by hackers and foreign intelligence agencies.

    "It is almost certain that at least some of the emails hosted at clintonemails.com were intercepted," independent security expert and developer Nic Cubrilovic told Gawker.
    Another fun point, there is mail server at clintonmail.com registered since 2002, by a different party with the same last name. Hope his mail server didn't keep a log of misdirected emails!

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    Look, JasperL, I don't really give a damn if you trust my credentials or not, but this is my line of work. The private email use by federal officials is solely for the purposes of adhering to the Hatch Act. It is most definitely illegal to store classified data or privileged communication on a private computer (ask General Petraeus). I mean, seriously dude, this crap is boilerplate plastered on every wallpaper on every federal computer in the whole country. Every federal employee and contractor is required to go through annual training that tells your precisely not to do this crap or you will go to jail.

    Your ignorance of the law is not a compelling argument.
    But your assertions do not square with the law. Here's how the NEW law reads: https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-...bill/1233/text

    SEC. 10. DISCLOSURE REQUIREMENT FOR OFFICIAL BUSINESS CONDUCTED USING
    NON-OFFICIAL ELECTRONIC MESSAGING ACCOUNT.
    ...
    (a) In General.--An officer or employee of an executive agency
    may not create or send a record using a non-official electronic
    messaging account unless such officer or employee--
    ``(1) copies an official electronic messaging account of the
    officer or employee in the original creation or transmission of the
    record; or
    ``(2) forwards a complete copy of the record to an official
    electronic messaging account of the officer or employee not later
    than 20 days after the original creation or transmission of the
    record.
    What's key is the USING of private email by those covered employees is perfectly LEGAL even under the revised Federal Records Act. What changed is the procedures for timely archiving them. So in this example, Hillary could use clintonemail.com and all she had to do to be in perfect compliance is to bcc her state dept email address. Under the old rules, there were no deadlines and if she transferred the relevant records as part of that 55,000 page submission, she is still in perfect compliance with the old rules.

    If you want to allege that she transferred classified documents via her personal email, then prove it or at least show someone making a credible allegation. There has been none of that. And it's a different charge than the one that alleges USING this account was illegal - it is plainly and obviously legal even under the revised rules.
    Last edited by JasperL; 03-06-15 at 02:11 PM.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    But your assertions do not square with the law. Here's how the NEW law reads: https://www.congress.gov/bill/113th-...bill/1233/text



    What's key is the USING of private email by those covered employees is perfectly LEGAL even under the revised Federal Records Act. What changed is the procedures for timely archiving them. So in this example, Hillary could use clintonemail.com and all she had to do to be in perfect compliance is to bcc her state dept email address. Under the old rules, there were no deadlines and if she transferred the relevant records as part of that 55,000 page submission, she is still in perfect compliance with the old rules.

    If you want to allege that she transferred classified documents via her personal email, then prove it or at least show someone making a credible allegation. There has been none of that. And it's a different charge than the one that alleges USING this account was illegal - it is plainly and obviously legal even under the revised rules.
    If you're cool with what she has done as Secretary of State, that's your problem. She was responsible for secret negotiations with both friendly and unfriendly countries, and most of us want to know what the hell was going on. Are we now rewarding the highest foreign bidder, especially since millions go into her family's personal foundation, as we are learning?

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by leoborn View Post
    If you're cool with what she has done as Secretary of State, that's your problem. She was responsible for secret negotiations with both friendly and unfriendly countries, and most of us want to know what the hell was going on. Are we now rewarding the highest foreign bidder, especially since millions go into her family's personal foundation, as we are learning?
    Goodness, if she was conducting ANY secret negotiations over ANY email, we've got a serious problem, but it's not that she used clintonemail.com and not state.gov. Neither are secure ways to communicate.

    And I've said many times I have a lot of problems with Hillary and haven't defended the wisdom or propriety of routing all her emails over her private account - it's tone deaf and that's just the start of the problems. And I haven't defended the Clinton Library/Foundation stuff, or worse IMO, the people who paid Bill over $100 million for speaking engagements - money that didn't flow through his foundation.

    All I'm pointing out is there is really no 'there' to this story about the legal issues that I've seen demonstrated. At worst from a LEGAL standpoint, she didn't timely archive these emails over to State. But I've not ever said as a citizen I'm fine with her using private email - it's an obvious attempt to either hide emails or make them more difficult to discover via FOIA requests. It's part of the reason I'm not a fan at all of HRC. Not being a fan =/= belief she broke the law.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by nota bene View Post
    If she didn't have a fed. e-mail account, then she must have been conducting federal business through some other e-mail account--unless, of course, you're suggesting that she worked seven days at week and was able to be in multiple countries at the same time or simply did all her work from a phone. Are there any other possibilities?
    She certainly could do most of her work by phone and hardcopy messages. For anything too sensitive for the mail, the State Department uses the diplomatic pouch.

    Not to mention, she's got plenty of aides who can send emails on her behalf from their own state.gov accounts.
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Then someone should connect the dots. Bottom line is private email accounts have been widely used by top officials across both parties since email was invented.
    which to be fair, hasn't been all that long... corporate emails were around in the mid-80s, but I didn't get a private one until late '90s. Weird how things have changed in 20 years, huh?

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