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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by DifferentDrummr View Post
    And how do they know she was conducting Federal business if they haven't seen the emails?
    If she didn't have a fed. e-mail account, then she must have been conducting federal business through some other e-mail account--unless, of course, you're suggesting that she worked seven days at week and was able to be in multiple countries at the same time or simply did all her work from a phone. Are there any other possibilities?

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Whether it was in her house or at a huge private data farm, " what difference does it make " ?
    sloppy reporting makes a difference.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by paddymcdougall View Post
    sloppy reporting makes a difference.
    The physical location of the Server is not irrelevant.

    What's relevant is that Hillary Clinton used a private server to purposefully circumvent FOIA and Oversight Committee request for her communications.

    If thats not bad enough ( it is ) she also made it really easy for hackers and foreign governments to access high level State Department communiques.

    Its just more Democrat / Obama administration corruption, lies and underhanded low life tactics.

    You know all those Conservative accusations about a lying, unethical administration that thinks they're above the law that have been made over the last 6 years ?

    Well this is the kind of " ****e " we were referring to and there's no way for you people or anyone else to defend it or to weasel out of it.

    Thanks Hillary for the vindication, now buzz off for ever with this as your defining moment in History.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    No you havent. You posted something without explaining how it, and where it states what you are claiming. Instead you just post documents and say "told you so". Did you even read them?
    The Federal records act, in it's first paragraph (bolded and underlined for you) clearly defines what constitutes a federal record. Any email, sent by the HMFIC of State, concerning anything about State business clearly qualifies.
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by pbrauer View Post
    Here is the law, it was signed two years after Clinton left her office.


    http://blogs.archives.gov/records-ex...esident-obama/

    On November 26, 2014, President Barack Obama signed into lawH.R. 1233, The Presidential and Federal Records Act Amendments of 2014. This law modernizes records management by focusing more directly on electronic records and complements our efforts to implement the President’s 2011 Memorandum on Managing Government Records. The law also represents the first significant changes to the Federal Records Act of 1950. The major points of this legislation are as follows:

    • Strengthening the Federal Records Act by expanding the definition of Federal records to clearly include electronic records.
    • Confirming that Federal electronic records will be transferred to the National Archives in electronic form.
    • Granting the Archivist of the United States final determination as to what constitutes a Federal record.
    • Authorizing the early transfer of permanent electronic Federal and Presidential records to the National Archives, while legal custody remains with the agency or the President.
    • Clarifying the responsibilities of Federal government officials when using non-government email systems.

    Passage and enactment of this law marks a significant moment in the history of Federal Records Management. We are in the process of reviewing our existing regulations in light of these new provisions and will have much more to say about changes to our regulations and policies in the future.
    For additional information, please see the press release that was issued yesterday. Stay tuned to the blog for further updates. Do not hesitate to leave a comment if you have a question and we will do our best to respond.
    The 2014 change added clarifications, but electronic records are still records covered under the FRA, hence all of the communications and regulations throughout the 1990s and 2000s reminding Federal officers & employees that email is not different than a paper memo.

    Don't forget, the Ambassedor from Kenya was asked to resign, by Sec State Clinton in 2012, for using a private email for official business. You can read the scathing memo that speaks to his lack of leadership and ability to follow federal regulations and State Department direction here: http://oig.state.gov/system/files/196460.pdf
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by jmotivator View Post
    I'm not hung up. The law requires chain of custody, no federal data on private systems, no classified data on an private network, in depth system logging, federal archive of all official communications, and I could go on, data transparency (no hiding data), no destruction of federal data. She broke all of those by putting state department emails on a private server.
    You've just recited a bunch of rules then asserted without evidence that they apply to emails. And when the NYT reporter was challenged about the specific law Hillary was alleged to have broken, he finally referred to a section of the National Archives regulations that dealt with transferring her private emails to a government server.

    Just for example, the amendments to the Federal Records Act explicitly ALLOW for use of private email accounts - thanks to Issa.

    It's possible that some law was broken, but it's not been proven. For example, if she transferred classified documents via email, that might be a violation. So which email did that? Etc.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    The relevant part of the Federal Records Act has been posted several times.
    Then someone should connect the dots. Bottom line is private email accounts have been widely used by top officials across both parties since email was invented.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address



    Apparently the White House was asked to comment on Clinton's use of private email in March of 2013 by a reporter from Gawker( following the Guccifer hack ) and they did not respond.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Clinton private email violated 'clear-cut' State Dept. rules - Josh Gerstein - POLITICO

    "The State Department has had a policy in place since 2005 to warn officials against routine use of personal email accounts for government work, a regulation in force during Hillary Clinton’s tenure as secretary of state that appears to be at odds with her reliance on a private email for agency business, POLITICO has learned.
    The policy, detailed in a manual for agency employees, adds clarity to an issue at the center of a growing controversy over Clinton’s reliance on a private email account. Aides to Clinton, as well as State Department officials, have suggested that she did nothing inappropriate because of fuzzy guidelines and lack of specific rules on when and how official documents had to be preserved during her years as Secretary of State.
    But the 2005 policy was described as one of several “clear cut” directives the agency’s own inspector general relied on to criticize the conduct of a U.S. ambassador who in 2012 was faulted for using email outside of the department’s official system. . . ."



    Well, that's serious. I read the manual and didn't really see the applicable section (and Politico of course doesn't specify it - typical for all these stories), but it basically says that the State Dept's regular email system isn't secure and neither is commercial email - it goes through various points that might be in foreign countries - so be careful.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Samhain View Post
    The 2014 change added clarifications, but electronic records are still records covered under the FRA, hence all of the communications and regulations throughout the 1990s and 2000s reminding Federal officers & employees that email is not different than a paper memo.

    Don't forget, the Ambassedor from Kenya was asked to resign, by Sec State Clinton in 2012, for using a private email for official business. You can read the scathing memo that speaks to his lack of leadership and ability to follow federal regulations and State Department direction here: http://oig.state.gov/system/files/196460.pdf
    Did she send it via private email?
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