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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    That will be forthcoming, I'm sure. I imagine Elizabeth Warren and others are checking their wardrobes for possible upcoming events as well. The argument over the legality of this has an almost comic nature to it. It's clearly illegal - that's what had the political left so incensed with the Bush administration in 2007. If it was illegal then, and it was, it's illegal from 2009 to 2013.
    What's funny is you say it was "clearly illegal" but don't say what was illegal.

    I'm not going to rehash the Bush admin email stuff, but what was allegedly illegal was that the RNC expertly and permanently deleted those emails. If the NYT or anyone else wants to allege Hillary did a systematic and regular exercise of deleting emails, that's a different allegation and nothing has been alleged along those lines.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    If "running all over the place" means reading the LAW, then sure I am "all over the place".
    BS. The 1950 Act is clear that records are to be preserved. People within State were fired for the very same thing under Clinton.



    She wasnt secretary of state in 2014... The original act did not apply to emails. Why do you think they amended the original act in late 2014?



    Hilary Clinton was not Secretary of State in 2014, therefore the original act did not cover private emails.
    See above.


    Well what should I search? Government emails?
    Then get a job with State. After 6 months training, you will have covered that territory, and you'll be reminded every year after that. As I already said, I don't know precisely what the grand poobahs do to meet that requirement, but the requirement stands. I never met Schultz so I never had a chance to ask.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    What's funny is you say it was "clearly illegal" but don't say what was illegal.

    I'm not going to rehash the Bush admin email stuff, but what was allegedly illegal was that the RNC expertly and permanently deleted those emails. If the NYT or anyone else wants to allege Hillary did a systematic and regular exercise of deleting emails, that's a different allegation and nothing has been alleged along those lines.
    Yes, I can imagine you don't want to rehash the Bush stuff. Read the Federal Records Act of 1950 and tell me about the penalty for violating it.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Right, but which section? She maintained an archive of her emails, as required by that Act. Different regulations said she needed to, at some indeterminate point, transfer those emails onto government systems, and she's done at least some of that. The NYT just made an allegation, but left readers with no idea what law she was alleged to have broken. It appears she might not have timely archived them WITH THE STATE DEPT but it wasn't until after she left that the law put a time period on that requirement.

    I don't think there is any doubt she set up a personal email account and did business through it for the same reason just about everyone who gets this kind of scrutiny has done it - Palin, Jeb, many in the Bush WH, Colin Powell, Lerner, etc...... I doubt if there's a high level elected or appointed or career person in D.C. that does ALL their business through their official work account. Maybe they have a personal email, maybe it's a campaign account, whatever. And we sure as hell know they ALL avoid email or written records of any kind for the stuff that they want hidden but that should be documented as required by law. They don't want them subject to some FOIA request, or at least they don't want them easily accessed during such a request in what are sometimes fishing expeditions. But that's a different topic than whether or not she broke a law.
    Condi Rice used her official account exclusively.

    Federal Records Act of 1950, as amended, codified at 44 U.S.C. chapters 29, 31 and 33.
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    Under the Act, each federal agency is required to make and preserve records that (1) document the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and essential transactions of the agency and (2) provide the information necessary to protect the legal and financial rights of the government and of persons directly affected by the agency’s activities.[1] The Act defines a federal record without respect to format. Records include all books, papers, maps, photographs, machine-readable materials, or other documentary materials, regardless of physical form or characteristics, made or received by an agency of the government under federal law or in connection with the transaction of public business and preserved or appropriate for preservation by that agency as evidence of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, operations, or other activities of the government or because of the informational value of data in them.
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Yes, I can imagine you don't want to rehash the Bush stuff. Read the Federal Records Act of 1950 and tell me about the penalty for violating it.
    Right after you cite the section Hillary violated! She has archived her emails, and transferred the relevant records to the State Department. There is no deadline in that statute, or any requirement that they all be transferred.

    And there's a reason you didn't mention Colin Powell.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    Right after you cite the section Hillary violated!
    Absolutely not. Some of you are waxing eloquently about legalities within the 2014 law and at the same time claiming she did nothing to violate the law in force at the time. Go read the 1950 Act and tell me about the penalties. Have you read any of the hacked emails? Doesn't sound like it.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Absolutely not. Some of you are waxing eloquently about legalities within the 2014 law and at the same time claiming she did nothing to violate the law in force at the time. Go read the 1950 Act and tell me about the penalties. Have you read any of the hacked emails? Doesn't sound like it.
    Her defenders' focus on the legalities is just an attempt to draw the question as narrowly as possible. The real danger for Hillary is that this episode raises questions of judgment and transparency that can be raised at will by her opponents, Dems as well as Repubs.
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Objective Voice View Post
    Well, if she had no official government email address and, instead, used a personal email account this should make finding all those "secret emails" about Benghazi easy to find, don't you think?
    Not when the email server was at the Clinton residence where she or one of her goons could simply delete any email she would consider harmful to her.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    BS. The 1950 Act is clear that records are to be preserved. People within State were fired for the very same thing under Clinton.
    Again, please show me where it states that private email are to be preserved and the state has the power to acquire those emails....




    See above.
    Im still waiting on you to show me where in the act it states that private emails are to be preserved and the state has the power to acquire them

    Then get a job with State. After 6 months training, you will have covered that territory, and you'll be reminded every year after that. As I already said, I don't know precisely what the grand poobahs do to meet that requirement, but the requirement stands. I never met Schultz so I never had a chance to ask.
    So you claim that this document is around, and you have seen it but you cannot even tell me how to obtain this document?


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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Hilary Clinton stepped down from Secretary of State in 2013. The Federal Records Act amendment that requires personal emails to be preserved on department servers did not become law until late November 2014...
    How lucky for wench Hillary. However she still broke the law.

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