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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Care to reply to any specifics or just repeat the same claim over and over again?


    Nope.. Lets try this again. And if you may, attempt to read the post because its going to be a "whole lot of words".

    Lets first go to the definition section of the original bill:

    There is a reason bills have definition sections.. This is what the term "records" is strictly defined as. The original act would of applied to Hillary is they used the word "records" on the next section of the original bill I'm about to post.

    Original Act:

    Nope not emails


    More papers


    Nope still not emails


    Nope not emails


    Hmmm so under section (2) they can collect all of the listed items, even if they came from a private sources. They listed certain items though. They left out a key several key itmes from the original defintion of "record". Those are the words "other documentary materials, regardless of physical form or characteristics". So no, this power was severly limited, and the orginal 1950 records act did not allow the procession of private emails. It was limited to strict limitations. Its also clear that that my point is true, is because they dont use the word "records", so therfore emails, which would fall under "other documentary materials, regardless of physical form or characteristics", is not covered under the original 1950 records act.
    Look, you're running around all over the place in an attempt to explain why Hillary is free and clear. She isn't. The fact that the 2014 Act clarifies exactly what constitutes an item worthy of record doesn't eliminate the original Act and the clearly stated requirement to maintain records. This is well known, and the 2014 Act is precisely to eliminate the gray areas the Bush administration exploited - none of which excused them. Simply put, outside of the admission that GOP servers were used, nothing was uncovered which would allow prosecution for anything, which I agree is alarming. Unfortunately for Hillary, somethings have been uncovered and it's a near certainty that more will be forthcoming - regardless if the emails have been deleted from her server - and I'm sure they were a long time ago.



    Which one exactly?[/QUOTE]

    In her case, the high level one. Don't know it's official title, and don't really care. If you're interested, you can look it up. Shouldn't be hard to find.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    Look, you're running around all over the place in an attempt to explain why Hillary is free and clear. She isn't. The fact that the 2014 Act clarifies exactly what constitutes an item worthy of record doesn't eliminate the original Act and the clearly stated requirement to maintain records. This is well known, and the 2014 Act is precisely to eliminate the gray areas the Bush administration exploited - none of which excused them. Simply put, outside of the admission that GOP servers were used, nothing was uncovered which would allow prosecution for anything, which I agree is alarming. Unfortunately for Hillary, somethings have been uncovered and it's a near certainty that more will be forthcoming - regardless if the emails have been deleted from her server - and I'm sure they were a long time ago.



    Which one exactly?
    In her case, the high level one. Don't know it's official title, and don't really care. If you're interested, you can look it up. Shouldn't be hard to find.[/QUOTE]

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Do I "trust her"? For the most part no. I am no fan of Hilary Clinton's, I am not "#readyforHilary", I think she is another typical war hawk. But I am not going to falsely accuse her of breaking a law just because I dont like her.
    Nor would I. However, I would note that just because an offender isn't apprehended doesn't mean a crime hasn't been committed. Why it took so long for this problem to come to light is puzzling. Many people knew. It appears that sensitive and classified information passed through her server. That's serious - just ask Petraeus. We'll see what happens and how far it goes. I think the release of this now indicates Hillary wants to test it before she announces a campaign to see if the repercussions would prevent her running.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    According to the article in the second link, the hacker took a screen grab but didn't copy any emails. Just the subject lines.
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    In her case, the high level one. Don't know it's official title, and don't really care. If you're interested, you can look it up. Shouldn't be hard to find.
    Deleted is never really deleted.
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    True, depending on exactly how far the investigators are willing to go and the access they have. I'm pretty shocked this problem didn't get noticed a long time ago.
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    No, it's the supposedly respectable media's fault for putting out a bunch of crap stories that don't do the basics, such as identify which law she actually is supposedly breaking, and making claims that BLOGGERS debunked in a matter of days by referencing......the law. It's now clear, for example, that there is no legal problem with her using a private email address, and certainly no problem with a "private" server. Would it have been better if she's used hillary@gmail.com?
    None of that is factually true.

    If even bloggers have debunked anything, post it. Let us see if anything has been debunked, what "evidence" THEY have. The"media" is not a court of law, they have no obligation to identify what law is or is not being broken, and in fact has no say in it, but only what individuals are saying. Reporters are not lawyers, they do not explain law.

    The deflection to the media on that is interesting only in that it is irrelevant in the extreme and does nothing about the lies Hillary has told, or even begin to address the issue of Obama administration policy, on record and recorded, of being the "most open and accountable administration in the history of the United States."

    She is dead on a legal sense, buried in a moral sense, and unfit for office in even following basic orders
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    None of that is factually true.

    If even bloggers have debunked anything, post it. Let us see if anything has been debunked, what "evidence" THEY have. The"media" is not a court of law, they have no obligation to identify what law is or is not being broken, and in fact has no say in it, but only what individuals are saying. Reporters are not lawyers, they do not explain law.

    The deflection to the media on that is interesting only in that it is irrelevant in the extreme and does nothing about the lies Hillary has told, or even begin to address the issue of Obama administration policy, on record and recorded, of being the "most open and accountable administration in the history of the United States."

    She is dead on a legal sense, buried in a moral sense, and unfit for office in even following basic orders
    There is no way that "classified" and higher did not pass through her server during her tenture. We already have indications that such material did.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    There is no way that "classified" and higher did not pass through her server during her tenture. We already have indications that such material did.
    the fact of its existence is prime facie evidence of an attempt to deceive....fraud.
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Fearandloathing View Post
    None of that is factually true.
    OK, cite the law that prohibits her from using a private email address. Let's start there.

    Once we're done with that, cite the law that gives a time during which she had to transfer her private emails to the government system. If you can't do that, then explain what law she's alleged to have broken. Explain the difference between gmail and going through another commercial email service?

    If even bloggers have debunked anything, post it. Let us see if anything has been debunked, what "evidence" THEY have. The"media" is not a court of law, they have no obligation to identify what law is or is not being broken, and in fact has no say in it, but only what individuals are saying. Reporters are not lawyers, they do not explain law.
    Give me a break - you've said you're a former journalist of some kind. If you allege in a story that Person A broke a law, it's OK if you have no idea which one, just that someone told YOU that Person A might have violated some unspecified law? And you have no obligation to fact check that? You just write up a baseless allegation, hit Publish, and you're done? What's an editor's role in this? Just to make sure the commas are all in the right place?

    Your hatred of Hillary is getting in the way of your objectivity.

    The deflection to the media on that is interesting only in that it is irrelevant in the extreme and does nothing about the lies Hillary has told, or even begin to address the issue of Obama administration policy, on record and recorded, of being the "most open and accountable administration in the history of the United States."
    That's a different story, and a fine one. The NYT and AP reporters should have gone with that - not vague allegations she might have broken laws they don't identify.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by JasperL View Post
    OK, cite the law that prohibits her from using a private email address. Let's start there.

    Once we're done with that, cite the law that gives a time during which she had to transfer her private emails to the government system. If you can't do that, then explain what law she's alleged to have broken. Explain the difference between gmail and going through another commercial email service?



    Give me a break - you've said you're a former journalist of some kind. If you allege in a story that Person A broke a law, it's OK if you have no idea which one, just that someone told YOU that Person A might have violated some unspecified law? And you have no obligation to fact check that? You just write up a baseless allegation, hit Publish, and you're done? What's an editor's role in this? Just to make sure the commas are all in the right place?

    Your hatred of Hillary is getting in the way of your objectivity.



    That's a different story, and a fine one. The NYT and AP reporters should have gone with that - not vague allegations she might have broken laws they don't identify.
    Their thesis was that she violated the Federal Records Act of 1950.
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