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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    That's a whole lot of words.
    Care to reply to any specifics or just repeat the same claim over and over again?

    Understand that the 1950 Act applies.
    Nope.. Lets try this again. And if you may, attempt to read the post because its going to be a "whole lot of words".

    Lets first go to the definition section of the original bill:
    "As used in this chapter, ‘records’ includes all books, papers, maps, photographs, machine readable materials, or other documentary materials, regardless of physical form or characteristics, made or received by an agency of the United States Government under Federal law or in connection with the transaction of public business and preserved or appropriate for preservation by that agency or its legitimate successor as evidence of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, operations, or other activities of the Government or because of the informational value of data in them. Library and museum material made or acquired and preserved solely for reference or exhibition purposes, extra copies of documents preserved only for convenience of reference, and stocks of publications and of processed documents are not included."
    There is a reason bills have definition sections.. This is what the term "records" is strictly defined as. The original act would of applied to Hillary is they used the word "records" on the next section of the original bill I'm about to post.

    Original Act:
    "When the Archivist considers it to be in the public interest he may accept for deposit- the papers and other historical materials of a President or former President of the United States, or other official or former official of the Government,
    Nope not emails

    and other papers relating to and contemporary with a President or former President of the United States, subject to restrictions agreeable to the Archivist as to their use; and
    More papers

    (2) documents, including motion-picture films,
    Nope still not emails

    still pictures, and sound recordings,
    Nope not emails

    from private sources that are appropriate for preservation by the Government as evidence of its organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and transactions."
    Hmmm so under section (2) they can collect all of the listed items, even if they came from a private sources. They listed certain items though. They left out a key several key itmes from the original defintion of "record". Those are the words "other documentary materials, regardless of physical form or characteristics". So no, this power was severly limited, and the orginal 1950 records act did not allow the procession of private emails. It was limited to strict limitations. Its also clear that that my point is true, is because they dont use the word "records", so therfore emails, which would fall under "other documentary materials, regardless of physical form or characteristics", is not covered under the original 1950 records act.

    Hillary should've attended the annual ethics meeting on records that all executive employees are required to attend. She's a lawyer, she's been in government or associated with it for a long time, and she knows. I can't help it if you don't.
    Which one exactly?


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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Actually, you haven't. You've paraded weasel-worded rationalizations that won't stop the question from metastasizing into something politically damaging. Why won't it stop? Because Hillary is on the wrong side of the fundamental point at issue.
    Holy ****.. Read the act she is being accused of violating. Read when the original act that passed in 1950's. Read the very first amendment to the act, which became law in 2014 (after she left the SOS Office).... Read the national archives press release on the act....


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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Holy ****.. Read the act she is being accused of violating. Read when the original act that passed in 1950's. Read the very first amendment to the act, which became law in 2014 (after she left the SOS Office).... Read the national archives press release on the act....
    She's in violation.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    And again, you post the definition from the bill and blithely disregard it. It applies to email:

    "As used in this chapter, ‘records’ includes all books, papers, maps, photographs, machine readable materials, or other documentary materials, regardless of physical form or characteristics, made or received by an agency of the United States Government under Federal law or in connection with the transaction of public business and preserved or appropriate for preservation by that agency or its legitimate successor as evidence of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, operations, or other activities of the Government or because of the informational value of data in them. Library and museum material made or acquired and preserved solely for reference or exhibition purposes, extra copies of documents preserved only for convenience of reference, and stocks of publications and of processed documents are not included."

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    I neglected to mention that not only does Hillary know, but it's obvious that she did this intentionally to avoid the FOIA and possibly a host of other laws that could pose problems for her. The Bush administration did the very same thing. Don't you think we deserve better? I do. She's not out of the woods on this thing. Not by a long shot. Even if nothing significant is found, it casts a pall on her prospective campaign. Do you trust her? I don't.
    Do I "trust her"? For the most part no. I am no fan of Hilary Clinton's, I am not "#readyforHilary", I think she is another typical war hawk. But I am not going to falsely accuse her of breaking a law just because I dont like her.


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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    She's in violation.
    Please then show where she is in violation of the original 1950 federal records law.


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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    And again, you post the definition from the bill and blithely disregard it. It applies to email:
    Alright now show me where it gives the power for the National Archives to collect private emails.


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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Please then show where she is in violation of the original 1950 federal records law.
    Please see #154.
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Please see #154.
    I have. Alright thats fine, now show me where it gives the power for the National Archives to collect private emails.


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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    I have. Alright thats fine, now show me where it gives the power for the National Archives to collect private emails.
    You have it backwards. She is obligated to provide them.
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