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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Please show me in the law then where it states that? You were the one that claimed it does, now show me in the Act where it gives the US Federal Government the power to obtain private emails from federal officials.

    Also you never answered my question: "Can you point to this amendment Bill Clinton signed into law?"
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    Plenty of lawyers, including some who have a lot of experience with federal-records laws, have opined that Hillary Clinton did not “technically” violate the law. Reasonable minds may disagree, but that conclusion is hard to accept. The Federal Records Act requires the preservation of any official “record,” which is defined functionally to require preservation whenever a record relates to the performance of a federal official’s duties. There is little question that Hillary Clinton was conducting official business on her private e-mail account, and her turning over 55,000 pages of documents only after she left office all but concedes that (but may not concede the full scope of her use of that account). There is also little doubt, given this functional definition, that e-mail has been covered by the Federal Records Act since its adoption by the federal government during the Clinton administration. As Ian Tuttle correctly notes, the State Department’s own manual has plainly provided, since 1995, that e-mail records must be preserved under the Federal Records Act. . . .
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Gill View Post
    I think I will take this guy's opinion over your's. He actually knows what he's talking about:


    http://www.nytimes.com/2015/03/03/us...lags.html?_r=0
    He knows what he's talking about all right that his article immediately caused questions, then is now pretty much completely debunked.


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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You're twisting and turning on an incorrect reading of the bill. Everyone else since 1950 has no problem understanding what the bill requires. The definitions definitely include email.
    The please quote where the power is given to acquire private emails under the original act.


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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    And they arent specifically mentioned either...

    Under the original act:
    "§ 2111. Material accepted for deposit
    When the Archivist considers it to be in the public interest he may accept for deposit—
    (1) the papers and other historical materials of a President or former President of the United States, or other official or former official of the Government, and other papers relating to and contemporary with a President or former President of the United States, subject to restrictions agreeable to the Archivist as to their use; and
    (2) documents, including motion-picture films, still pictures, and sound recordings, from private sources that are appropriate for preservation by the Government as evidence of its organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and transactions."

    Here is the recently amended act:
    "§ 2111. Material accepted for deposit
    (a) IN GENERAL.—When the Archivist considers it to be in the public interest the Archivist may accept for deposit—
    (1) the papers and other historical materials of a President or former President of the United States, or other official or former official of the Government, and other papers relating to and contemporary with a President or former President of the United States, subject to restrictions agreeable to the Archivist as to their use; and
    (2) recorded information (as such term is defined in section 3301(a)(2) of this title) from private sources that are appropriate for preservation by the Government as evidence of its organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and transactions.

    Its really quite simple. In the original version of the act, if the word "records" was mentioned, then what she did would of been illegal. The reason the word "records" is important is because its defined as in this act as, "‘records’ includes all books, papers, maps, photographs, machine readable materials, or other documentary materials, regardless of physical form or characteristics, made or received by an agency of the United States Government under Federal law or in connection with the transaction of public business and preserved or appropriate for preservation by that agency or its legitimate successor as evidence of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, operations, or other activities of the Government or because of the informational value of data in them. Library and museum material made or acquired and preserved solely for reference or exhibition purposes, extra copies of documents preserved only for convenience of reference, and stocks of publications and of processed documents are not included". There is a reason they only listed several of the items defined as "records" in the orignial amendment, and did not use the word "records" in the original amendment under the powers given section.



    Yea, its clear that emails were not covered under the original 1950's act. Clear enough to send out these press release: "Strengthening the Federal Records Act by expanding the definition of Federal records to clearly include electronic records. This is the first change to the definition of a Federal record since the enactment of the act in 1950. Clarifying the responsibilities of Federal government officials when using non-government email systems." Bulletin 2014-06

    Seems to be clear enough for the associated press:
    "There's no ban on government employees setting up and using private email accounts. But using those accounts for government business is allowed only if the official retains a copy of each record on her official account or forwards a copy within 20 days. But the law requiring those steps was signed by President Barack Obama in November 2014, nearly two years after Clinton left the State Department." 5 things to know about Clinton's State Department emails - US News
    That's a whole lot of words. Understand that the 1950 Act applies. Hillary should've attended the annual ethics meeting on records that all executive employees are required to attend. She's a lawyer, she's been in government or associated with it for a long time, and she knows. I can't help it if you don't.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
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    Plenty of lawyers, including some who have a lot of experience with federal-records laws, have opined that Hillary Clinton did not “technically” violate the law. Reasonable minds may disagree, but that conclusion is hard to accept. The Federal Records Act requires the preservation of any official “record,” which is defined functionally to require preservation whenever a record relates to the performance of a federal official’s duties. There is little question that Hillary Clinton was conducting official business on her private e-mail account, and her turning over 55,000 pages of documents only after she left office all but concedes that (but may not concede the full scope of her use of that account). There is also little doubt, given this functional definition, that e-mail has been covered by the Federal Records Act since its adoption by the federal government during the Clinton administration. As Ian Tuttle correctly notes, the State Department’s own manual has plainly provided, since 1995, that e-mail records must be preserved under the Federal Records Act. . . .
    Ive already answered all of the accusations made in the article several times now.


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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    They have ignored the law outright on more than one occasion.

    It would take quite a imagination to say they haven't.
    I've never weighed in on whether or not they have. Well.. in fact I just said she was wrong on this for sure. While you pretend to be selectively outraged about this and not when there's a "R" next to their name doing the same crap.
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    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Yes there's firing US attorney's and then there's creating a false narrative to cover your ass Politically for the deaths of four Americans.

    And how many US Attorney's did Clinton fire ?
    OH Nooooeeeeessss

    it's..

    it's...

    BENGHAZIIIIIIIIIII!!!!!!1!1!11!!!

    Faux outrage day after day built on a bedrock of hypocrisy and outright fabrications. You guys have nothing but desperation anymore.
    Quote Originally Posted by Moderate Right View Post
    The sad fact is that having a pedophile win is better than having a Democrat in office. I'm all for a solution where a Republican gets in that isn't Moore.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    And they arent specifically mentioned either...

    Under the original act:
    "§ 2111. Material accepted for deposit
    When the Archivist considers it to be in the public interest he may accept for deposit—
    (1) the papers and other historical materials of a President or former President of the United States, or other official or former official of the Government, and other papers relating to and contemporary with a President or former President of the United States, subject to restrictions agreeable to the Archivist as to their use; and
    (2) documents, including motion-picture films, still pictures, and sound recordings, from private sources that are appropriate for preservation by the Government as evidence of its organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and transactions."

    Here is the recently amended act:
    "§ 2111. Material accepted for deposit
    (a) IN GENERAL.—When the Archivist considers it to be in the public interest the Archivist may accept for deposit—
    (1) the papers and other historical materials of a President or former President of the United States, or other official or former official of the Government, and other papers relating to and contemporary with a President or former President of the United States, subject to restrictions agreeable to the Archivist as to their use; and
    (2) recorded information (as such term is defined in section 3301(a)(2) of this title) from private sources that are appropriate for preservation by the Government as evidence of its organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and transactions.

    Its really quite simple. In the original version of the act, if the word "records" was mentioned, then what she did would of been illegal. The reason the word "records" is important is because its defined as in this act as, "‘records’ includes all books, papers, maps, photographs, machine readable materials, or other documentary materials, regardless of physical form or characteristics, made or received by an agency of the United States Government under Federal law or in connection with the transaction of public business and preserved or appropriate for preservation by that agency or its legitimate successor as evidence of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, operations, or other activities of the Government or because of the informational value of data in them. Library and museum material made or acquired and preserved solely for reference or exhibition purposes, extra copies of documents preserved only for convenience of reference, and stocks of publications and of processed documents are not included". There is a reason they only listed several of the items defined as "records" in the orignial amendment, and did not use the word "records" in the original amendment under the powers given section.



    Yea, its clear that emails were not covered under the original 1950's act. Clear enough to send out these press release: "Strengthening the Federal Records Act by expanding the definition of Federal records to clearly include electronic records. This is the first change to the definition of a Federal record since the enactment of the act in 1950. Clarifying the responsibilities of Federal government officials when using non-government email systems." Bulletin 2014-06

    Seems to be clear enough for the associated press:
    "There's no ban on government employees setting up and using private email accounts. But using those accounts for government business is allowed only if the official retains a copy of each record on her official account or forwards a copy within 20 days. But the law requiring those steps was signed by President Barack Obama in November 2014, nearly two years after Clinton left the State Department." 5 things to know about Clinton's State Department emails - US News
    I neglected to mention that not only does Hillary know, but it's obvious that she did this intentionally to avoid the FOIA and possibly a host of other laws that could pose problems for her. The Bush administration did the very same thing. Don't you think we deserve better? I do. She's not out of the woods on this thing. Not by a long shot. Even if nothing significant is found, it casts a pall on her prospective campaign. Do you trust her? I don't.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by TheDemSocialist View Post
    Ive already answered all of the accusations made in the article several times now.
    Actually, you haven't. You've paraded weasel-worded rationalizations that won't stop the question from metastasizing into something politically damaging. Why won't it stop? Because Hillary is on the wrong side of the fundamental point at issue.
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