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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Hillary thought of all that already.
    But you're not Hillary Clinton so how would you know what she thought?

    Its what motivated her to have a private server installed at her home.

    You guys should stop bringing up old Bush talking points and place blame where it belongs.

    On Hillary and Obama. As Secretary of state for Barack Obama its probably a good idea to keep all your communications in a private server somewhere.
    Condi Rice is an old Bush talking point? She also happens to be Hillary Clinton's predecessor as head of the State Department and that makes her a valid and relevant comparison especially as to the use of emails in conducting state business....


    Just like Condi Rice.....

    "....Clinton rarely used email for official business, a former State department official told Bloomberg Politics. Instead, she communicated over the phone or in person....

    We have no indication that Secretary Clinton used her personal e-mail account for anything but unclassified purposes,” State Department deputy spokesperson Marie Harf said Tuesday. “While Secretary Clinton did not have a classified e-mail system, she did have multiple other ways of communicating in a classified manner (assistants printing documents for her, secure phone calls, secure video conferences).”....

    One former State Department official who worked for Clinton told Bloomberg Politics he did not find the practice unusual, given how little Clinton actually used e-mail. Most of the time, the former official said, his interactions with Clinton and across the department were either face to face or over phone....."

    https://www.bloomberg.com/politics/a...email-at-state


    Compared to video conferencing and instant messaging...emails just seem so archaic and old fashion.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    How so? Did he or didn't he?
    He did not.
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Or perhaps, like Condoleezza Rice, Hillary Clinton didn't use email for official business at all. Maybe she had assistants to email the official business or maybe she used her cell phone...or maybe she talked directly to people... or maybe she did all three. The point is...if they don't have any private emails to prove she was conducting "official business" then it's all just conjecture and hearsay until proven otherwise.
    Hillary has already said she is a constant emailer.
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    Hillary has already said she is a constant emailer.
    Can you provide a link or a direct quote?

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Jack Hays View Post
    He did not.
    Have a link?
    Quote Originally Posted by Fenton View Post
    Hillary is the only defense I or anyone else needs.
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    Not once have I showed my dick to a woman and she thought it was creepy. In fact, in 100% of the cases, they were pretty excited about it. I don't know who you're showing your **** too.

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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by Moot View Post
    Can you provide a link or a direct quote?
    Hillary Clinton Ran Homebrew Computer System For Official EmailsHuffington Post‎ - 3 hours ago

    WASHINGTON (AP) Hillary Rodham Clinton ran her own

    ". . . Clinton who emailed so frequently using her BlackBerry as secretary of state that it became an Internet meme is particularly sensitive about disclosures of personal files based on her experiences in confronting congressional investigations and civil lawsuits during her husband's election and presidency and her own roles as first lady, senator, presidential candidate and Cabinet official. . . . "
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by mac View Post
    You're completely wrong. At her level, nearly everything she says regarding the state department is a record. The "in any form" covers every form of communication possible so long as it leaves a physical trace. It's that simple, specially when she goes on to say that she was observing the "letter and spirit" of the law.
    Please show me in the law then where it states that? You were the one that claimed it does, now show me in the Act where it gives the US Federal Government the power to obtain private emails from federal officials.

    Also you never answered my question: "Can you point to this amendment Bill Clinton signed into law?"


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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Have a link?
    There is no single link to wrap it up. Bottom line is that some of his aides were coloring outside the lines but none of it touched Walker.
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by humbolt View Post
    No, I didn't say it's sketchy - legal scholars say it's sketchy. Nothing in the 1950 Act excludes emails or any other record. They just aren't specifically included.
    And they arent specifically mentioned either...

    Under the original act:
    " 2111. Material accepted for deposit
    When the Archivist considers it to be in the public interest he may accept for deposit—
    (1) the papers and other historical materials of a President or former President of the United States, or other official or former official of the Government, and other papers relating to and contemporary with a President or former President of the United States, subject to restrictions agreeable to the Archivist as to their use; and
    (2) documents, including motion-picture films, still pictures, and sound recordings, from private sources that are appropriate for preservation by the Government as evidence of its organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and transactions."

    Here is the recently amended act:
    " 2111. Material accepted for deposit
    (a) IN GENERAL.—When the Archivist considers it to be in the public interest the Archivist may accept for deposit—
    (1) the papers and other historical materials of a President or former President of the United States, or other official or former official of the Government, and other papers relating to and contemporary with a President or former President of the United States, subject to restrictions agreeable to the Archivist as to their use; and
    (2) recorded information (as such term is defined in section 3301(a)(2) of this title) from private sources that are appropriate for preservation by the Government as evidence of its organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, and transactions.

    Its really quite simple. In the original version of the act, if the word "records" was mentioned, then what she did would of been illegal. The reason the word "records" is important is because its defined as in this act as, "‘records’ includes all books, papers, maps, photographs, machine readable materials, or other documentary materials, regardless of physical form or characteristics, made or received by an agency of the United States Government under Federal law or in connection with the transaction of public business and preserved or appropriate for preservation by that agency or its legitimate successor as evidence of the organization, functions, policies, decisions, procedures, operations, or other activities of the Government or because of the informational value of data in them. Library and museum material made or acquired and preserved solely for reference or exhibition purposes, extra copies of documents preserved only for convenience of reference, and stocks of publications and of processed documents are not included". There is a reason they only listed several of the items defined as "records" in the orignial amendment, and did not use the word "records" in the original amendment under the powers given section.

    You aren't capable of making clear something that already was. Describing a method and penalties doesn't change the fact that records were to be preserved. Perhaps you should read a bit more.
    Yea, its clear that emails were not covered under the original 1950's act. Clear enough to send out these press release: "Strengthening the Federal Records Act by expanding the definition of Federal records to clearly include electronic records. This is the first change to the definition of a Federal record since the enactment of the act in 1950. Clarifying the responsibilities of Federal government officials when using non-government email systems." http://www.archives.gov/records-mgmt...4/2014-06.html

    Seems to be clear enough for the associated press:
    "There's no ban on government employees setting up and using private email accounts. But using those accounts for government business is allowed only if the official retains a copy of each record on her official account or forwards a copy within 20 days. But the law requiring those steps was signed by President Barack Obama in November 2014, nearly two years after Clinton left the State Department." http://www.usnews.com/news/politics/...artment-emails
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    Re: Clinton had no official State Dept. email address

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Have a link?
    Of course Scott Walker maintained plausible deniability, as they all always do.
    Killing one person is murder, killing 100,000 is foreign policy

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