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    Re: U.S. judge rules Nebraska same-sex marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    Under the force of law - yes.

    But by no other means.
    What law?
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    Re: U.S. judge rules Nebraska same-sex marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    Under the force of law - yes.

    But by no other means.
    You seem not to understand that the laws that force are laws that force SS persons from marrying. If the Supreme court rules against those laws [force]...the laws [force] will be removed. No new law is created...the Force was ended. The force will be lifted. The Force will cease to exist.


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    Re: U.S. judge rules Nebraska same-sex marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    Under the force of law - yes.

    But by no other means.
    What other means matters?
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    Re: U.S. judge rules Nebraska same-sex marriage ban unconstitutional

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    What other means matters?
    By the means of respect.

    The means of virtue.

    By the means of voluntary consent.

    Those kinds of means.

    They matter far more then most people realize, and at some level they matter to everyone.
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    Re: U.S. judge rules Nebraska same-sex marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    By the means of respect.

    The means of virtue.

    By the means of voluntary consent.

    Those kinds of means.

    They matter far more then most people realize, and at some level they matter to everyone.
    Same sex couples have been getting married in some churches and in general, just not legally recognized, for decades, if not longer. It has always been just as voluntary as opposite couples getting married.
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    Re: U.S. judge rules Nebraska same-sex marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by LaylaWindu View Post
    As it should marriage will be allowed for everyone across the nation soon.
    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    Under the force of law - yes.

    But by no other means.
    Quote Originally Posted by Cephus View Post
    What other means matters?
    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    By the means of respect.

    The means of virtue.

    By the means of voluntary consent.

    Those kinds of means.

    They matter far more then most people realize, and at some level they matter to everyone.

    You realize that multiple states (and D.C.) have passed SSCM through legislative action and that multiple states voted in support of SSCM at the ballot box during General Elections correct?

    The Presbyterian Church is currently voting on whether to authorize SS religious marriages, currently the vote of the organizations is 77 in support and only 37 against. 86 approvals is required for passage.



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    Re: U.S. judge rules Nebraska same-sex marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    By the means of respect.

    The means of virtue.

    By the means of voluntary consent.

    Those kinds of means.

    They matter far more then most people realize, and at some level they matter to everyone.
    None of those matter to the law. Religion hasn't earned respect, it has no virtue and people are perfectly welcome to consent or not consent to the law. They can get married in any church they want and not sign up for legal married status, nobody has any interest in stopping them. So while you're welcome to your opinions, I don't buy any of them.
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    Re: U.S. judge rules Nebraska same-sex marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by WorldWatcher View Post
    You realize that multiple states (and D.C.) have passed SSCM through legislative action and that multiple states voted in support of SSCM at the ballot box during General Elections correct?

    The Presbyterian Church is currently voting on whether to authorize SS religious marriages, currently the vote of the organizations is 77 in support and only 37 against. 86 approvals is required for passage.
    At the end of the day, it doesn't make a damn bit of difference what religions decide. Marriage is a secular institution. Religions can either adopt the same rules for use within their churches or they cannot, it really doesn't make a difference. No amount of religious agreement or disagreement has any impact on the secular application of marriage.
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    Re: U.S. judge rules Nebraska same-sex marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by JP Cusick View Post
    I agree that it is a done deal, and if somehow it ever gets turned back in the future then that would be abrupt and extremely uncomfortable.

    My point was simply to include the reality that this action marks the violation of the Church by the State and I see that as noteworthy.

    There is no reason why we would not properly morn the huge loss of our old compatriots.

    Both religion and marriage have been violated by the State for the purpose of homosexuality.
    I have no idea what you're talking about. Unless the government is forcing people of the same gender to marry, contrary to their religious beliefs, religion has nothing to do with it. It does not affect your religious beliefs one iota for other people to follow their beliefs and marry. That's an insane thought process.
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    Re: U.S. judge rules Nebraska same-sex marriage ban unconstitutional

    Quote Originally Posted by JumpinJack View Post
    I have no idea what you're talking about. Unless the government is forcing people of the same gender to marry, contrary to their religious beliefs, religion has nothing to do with it. It does not affect your religious beliefs one iota for other people to follow their beliefs and marry. That's an insane thought process.
    There are a lot of people who think religion is more important than everything else, a person's religious beliefs gives them the right to violate the law and deserves complete freedom to do whatever they want to in the pursuit of their religious beliefs. These people are crazy.
    There is nothing demonstrably true that religion can provide the world that cannot be achieved more rationally through entirely secular means.

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