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Pay us or we’ll call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of punishme

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Bodhisattva said:
When I was 15 I was a bag boy and we caught some guy who was stealing three live lobsters from the supermarket... :lol:
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Down his pants and in his underwear?
 
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Mason66 said:
Down his pants and in his underwear?
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Poor man's circumcision.
 
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Mason66 said:
Down his pants and in his underwear?
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No. Just in a big jacket. :lol:
 
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clownboy said:
Since forever. They are public record.
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It is not public record if there is an outstanding warrant against somebody.

Can you point me to where I can see that information?
 
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clownboy said:
Poor man's circumcision.
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I don't know about poor, lobsters are expensive.
 
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Mason66 said:
It is not public record if there is an outstanding warrant against somebody.

Can you point me to where I can see that information?
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For what state? Here's Oregon, and yes warrants are indeed public records:

Oregon Warrants Search Directory

Back in the day of newspapers, you never read the local crime blotter?
 
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clownboy said:
For what state? Here's Oregon, and yes warrants are indeed public records:

Oregon Warrants Search Directory

Back in the day of newspapers, you never read the local crime blotter?
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Thanks, I didn't know that.

I don't see on that page where you can pull up somebody's name but I will keep looking
 
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countryboy said:
So repeating the lie accomplishes what? It makes it sound like an innocent person is simply browsing at Bloomingdale's, and is wrongly accused of shoplifting. Not the case. Why do libs always feel the need to lie to forward their agenda?
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Repeating what lie. Did you get out of bed on the wrong side, ya know the side up against the wall.
 
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Mason66 said:
Since when do private4 people have access to police records?

Your question insinuates that the person is innocent as they are browsing in the store and have not tried to leave.

Are you asking what innocent people would do in this situation specifically?
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Criminal records are easily accessed.
 
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JANFU said:
Repeating what lie. Did you get out of bed on the wrong side, ya know the side up against the wall.
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This lie. It should read, "Imagine you are shoplifting at Bloomingdale's, when a security guard taps you on the shoulder and busts you". :wink:

Imagine you’re browsing at Bloomingdale’s when a security guard taps you on the shoulder and accuses you of shoplifting. He takes you to a private room, sits you down, and runs your name through a database to see if you have any outstanding warrants. Then he tells you that you have two options. The first involves him calling the police, who might arrest you and take you to jail. The second allows you to walk out of the store immediately, no questions asked—right after you sign an admission of guilt and agree to pay $320 to take an online course designed to make you never want to steal again.
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countryboy said:
This lie. It should read, "Imagine you are shoplifting at Bloomingdale's, when a security guard taps you on the shoulder and busts you". :wink:
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You expect far to much from reporters.
Fact is that is what is happening - In some states you can be shoplifting by concealing goods and walking away to another area of the store.
 
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JANFU said:
You expect far to much from reporters.
Fact is that is what is happening - In some states you can be shoplifting by concealing goods and walking away to another area of the store.
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Uh, yeah. Why else would you need to "conceal goods"? What is your point here? Do you think people stuff merchandise down their pants in lieu of using a shopping basket or cart? C'mon here man, gimme a break. Seriously, what is your point?

I don't even like putting my own stuff back in my pockets in the store because I don't even want anyone to think I am stealing. Not because I am afraid of getting wrongly accused, but because I don't want anyone to think I am a thief. I hate thieves.
 
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Mason66 said:
Thanks, I didn't know that.

I don't see on that page where you can pull up somebody's name but I will keep looking
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It's a general search for all warrants in that state by filter. There's generally a charge for accessing specific public records and several pay services aggregate the records and make them easily searchable by specific individuals.

I think many of the local papers still have a local crime section that detail local arrests, warrants and police actions.
 
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Grand Mal said:
I read the fvcking article. It opens up with a scenario where someone is confronted in the aisle, before he's stolen anything, and given the choice of cops or paying for the 'course'.
Are you just ignoring the opening paragraph, the one quoted in the OP, and pretending it's not there? You're ignoring what I say in my replies, too, just so nothing gets in the way of your tantrum. See that part of your slobbery rant I highlighted? I told you already that it's probably a good option for someone who's guilty of stealing, but maybe you were raving at someone else at the time.
Jesus. You're impressive, dude, no argument there.
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Creating your own pretend scenario is a great way to stir morons up that read your article, even if it has no basis in reality. I have a difficult time imagining people are so stupid they dont believe theft protection departments understand the rules regarding apprehension of and what qualifies as shoplifting. I have an equally difficult time believing people are so soft and ****ing mutton-headed they believe someone can grab them, accuse them of shoplifting, and be extorted into admitting to a crime they obviously didn't commit. At the end of the day, there is this ton of ridiculous poutrage over a practice that gives shoplifters a second chance without a criminal record. If you are 'that guy' that gets busted for shoplifting and would rather get a record and face the cops, have a ball.
 
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Mason66 said:
That is not what was asked inthe OP.

It says you were tapped on the should browsing in the store. it did not say you shoplifted anything. You were still in the store, so no shoplifting had taken place.
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Clearly, they're not going to pick anyone up who hasn't shoplifted. That's just common sense.
 
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countryboy said:
Uh, yeah. Why else would you need to "conceal goods"? What is your point here? Do you think people stuff merchandise down their pants in lieu of using a shopping basket or cart? C'mon here man, gimme a break. Seriously, what is your point?

I don't even like putting my own stuff back in my pockets in the store because I don't even want anyone to think I am stealing. Not because I am afraid of getting wrongly accused, but because I don't want anyone to think I am a thief. I hate thieves.
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Why else you say, each State differs on the rules for shoplifting, from concealment, to must attempt to or leave the property.

Next this is big business. I wonder what their stats are?
So how is this a lie perpetrated by Liberals?

Oh yeah, and in some States, Debtors Prisons, best term I can think of are big business.
 
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Cephus said:
Clearly, they're not going to pick anyone up who hasn't shoplifted. That's just common sense.
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"Common sense" always seems a bit more elusive than one might imagine...
 
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JANFU said:
Why else you say, each State differs on the rules for shoplifting, from concealment, to must attempt to or leave the property.

Next this is big business. I wonder what their stats are?
So how is this a lie perpetrated by Liberals?

Oh yeah, and in some States, Debtors Prisons, best term I can think of are big business.
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Again, why would anyone need to "conceal goods", unless they were attempting to steal them?
 
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countryboy said:
Again, why would anyone need to "conceal goods", unless they were attempting to steal them?
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Again, I was referring to the law. Your opinion on why as well as mine is not relevant, as it does not always apply when it comes to laying a charge. Laws and evidence apply.
Thing is unless you can afford a lawyer, well i would guess most sign up.
Still a great business model.
All the legal issues remain with the business client.
 
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JANFU said:
Again, I was referring to the law. Your opinion on why as well as mine is not relevant, as it does not always apply when it comes to laying a charge. Laws and evidence apply.
Thing is unless you can afford a lawyer, well i would guess most sign up.
Still a great business model.
All the legal issues remain with the business client.
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I still don't get your point. Do you have a problem with the program? If so, why?
 
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Cephus said:
Clearly, they're not going to pick anyone up who hasn't shoplifted. That's just common sense.
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No it isn't. If it is a money making scheme, a lot of people that are weak will fall for it.
 
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countryboy said:
I still don't get your point. Do you have a problem with the program? If so, why?
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Yes and no. Till I have more information, how the Security Officers are trained, how the business model works, what information is shared. is it used on minorities more often that whites.
Is information shared between clients of the Corp providing the training course?
Yeah I got a few questions.
You do not?

Oh, no reply on Debtors Prisons??? For- Against- they do not exist within the US????
 
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JANFU said:
Yes and no. Till I have more information, how the Security Officers are trained, how the business model works, what information is shared. is it used on minorities more often that whites.
Is information shared between clients of the Corp providing the training course?
Yeah I got a few questions.
You do not?

Oh, no reply on Debtors Prisons??? For- Against- they do not exist within the US????
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Additional info notwithstanding, how about on principle? I suspect your objections are more about a hatred of capitalism than anything else. But, I could be wrong, after all, there was that one other time.
 
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countryboy said:
Additional info notwithstanding, how about on principle? I suspect your objections are more about a hatred of capitalism than anything else. But, I could be wrong, after all, there was that one other time.
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You did get out on the wrong side of the bed. Where and when have I stated I hated capitalism.
 
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Mason66 said:
No it isn't. If it is a money making scheme, a lot of people that are weak will fall for it.
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No it's not. They'd make more from persecution and court mandated restitution AND it would cost the shoplifter more.
 
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