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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    No, it would be unconstitutional. Retail enterprises have no right to privately dispense justice for profit. You could however pass a law authorizing the court to offer a simple fine payment similar to the way traffic offenses are handled.

    I really don't get why everyone in this thread seems to think that corporations magically have the same authority as the justice system.
    you are jumping way ahead of the issue at hand, here. No one is saying the store has the right to find you guilty and fine you, they are saying that the store has the right to offer an easier deal as an option to them calling the cops. If you are innocent, call the cops. If you are guilty, what the store is offering is probably a better bargain.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    you are jumping way ahead of the issue at hand, here. No one is saying the store has the right to find you guilty and fine you, they are saying that the store has the right to offer an easier deal as an option to them calling the cops. If you are innocent, call the cops. If you are guilty, what the store is offering is probably a better bargain.
    I'm not confused at all. Asking for money to not call the cops is the legal definition of extortion. A retailer only has the right the to either file a police report or let the person go. Once they start trying to use the threat of criminal penalties to make cash, they are breaking the law. I don't get why people find this so difficult.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I'm not confused at all. Asking for money to not call the cops is the legal definition of extortion. A retailer only has the right the to either file a police report or let the person go. Once they start trying to use the threat of criminal penalties to make cash, they are breaking the law. I don't get why people find this so difficult.
    that's ridiculous. So if my neighbors kid breaks my windows with a baseball and I tell his parents he can just pay for it without me going to the homeowners association, I'm extorting him by offering him an easier way out. I call BS.

    Settling out of court isn't extortion, nor does it break the law.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by cpwill View Post
    that's ridiculous. So if my neighbors kid breaks my windows with a baseball and I tell his parents he can just pay for it without me going to the homeowners association, I'm extorting him by offering him an easier way out. I call BS.

    Settling out of court isn't extortion, nor does it break the law.
    That is a civil action, not a criminal. Threatening to sue is distinct from threatening to accuse someone of a crime. Furthermore, replacing damaged property is restitution, unlike asking for extra money simply for profit.

    Lets suppose little timmy climbed through your window trying to retrieve his ball. If you made him pay you 500 bucks on threat of reporting him for trespassing, that would be extortion.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

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    Imagine you池e browsing at Bloomingdale痴 when a security guard taps you on the shoulder and accuses you of shoplifting. He takes you to a private room, sits you down, and runs your name through a database to see if you have any outstanding warrants. Then he tells you that you have two options. The first involves him calling the police, who might arrest you and take you to jail. The second allows you to walk out of the store immediately, no questions asked羊ight after you sign an admission of guilt and agree to pay $320 to take an online course designed to make you never want to steal again.

    Which would you choose?
    I'd **** him.

    Wait - hold on . . . that was not an option, was it.

    If I know I didn't steal something I'd bring hell in a handbasket.
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by Aunt Spiker View Post
    I'd **** him.

    Wait - hold on . . . that was not an option, was it.

    If I know I didn't steal something I'd bring hell in a handbasket.
    Hmm. I take it the **** is not kill him? lol
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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by Meadowlark View Post
    I would request to see the video evidence of the so called 'shoplifting' while I looking for my lawyers phone number -

    If they couldn't produce video evidence which of course would show nothing since I don't shoplift and would not let me walk out freely at that point, hit send on my phone and calling my lawyer. Second I would call the police myself.
    If they have no evidence of shoplifting and still forced you into the back room, I think that would fall under the kidnapping statute.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by StillBallin75 View Post
    This isn't about ****ing kidnapping. The reason the individual is taken to a back room is so that 1) They can be confronted with evidence that they were shoplifting 2) be given a choice to either pay for the merchandise or return it to the store and 3) if some type of confrontation or dispute arises it doesn't become a spectacle for the whole store to see. It isn't like detaining someone in a jail cell.
    Yo are talking about a situation where the person was shoplifting. The way the OP reads, it sounds like a scam to make money.

    The OP does not say the person being accused actually did shoplift.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by VanceMack View Post
    Your poutrage is just plain goofy. Retailers have an obligation to their survival and in fact their customer base to curb shoplifting. Prior to this option people were nabbed and had to deal with the police. Now they are given a choice. They are given their legal rights and shown a video explaining their choices. Frankly...your butthurt poutrage at this is just stupid. But I would recommend if you are ever in this situation (all the more comical because it is entirely unlikely you ever WILL be) then you should tell them to kiss your ass and take your shot with the cops. You go, boy...that'll show them they cant **** around with you.

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    Why isn't anybody talking about what the $320.00 is for? A program could mean a lot of things.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by Mason66 View Post
    Why isn't anybody talking about what the $320.00 is for? A program could mean a lot of things.
    Did you read the article?

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