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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    We are both in Ca. Here, if you get a speeding ticket you can opt to take an online course and pay a fee-this will prevent it from being reported to your insurance, meaning you may well save money.

    The alternative is a fine AND increased insurance costs.

    Are you saying thats extortion?

    Of course not. The courts are vested with the power to resolve legal disputes. Its kind like how cops can show up at your door execute a warrant and physically drag you into a cage, but its felony kidnapping if Target employees do the same thing.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    A nonsense reading of that to be sure. Shoplifting is a huge problem for retailers, right up there with employee theft. The threat isn't to accuse, but to press charges. And here's a clue for you, the police show up, the first thing they ask for is the video. We're not talking about innocent folks here, but thieves caught in the act given a chance to go forth and sin no more.
    The quote I posted literally stated "whether the person accused or threatened with accusation is guilty or not" and then you go and say its okay if the person is guilty. Do you actually care about the law? Or is everything legal if the person doing it has money and a suit?

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    The database could be used for repeat offenders?
    Depends on what the law already is I'd say.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    Of course not. The courts are vested with the power to resolve legal disputes. Its kind like how cops can show up at your door execute a warrant and physically drag you into a cage, but its felony kidnapping if Target employees do the same thing.
    So if there was a law written, that gave the investigating officer the discretion to "allow" this to occur if both the store and the thief agreed, would you be ok with it?

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    So if there was a law written, that gave the investigating officer the discretion to "allow" this to occur if both the store and the thief agreed, would you be ok with it?
    No, it would be unconstitutional. Retail enterprises have no right to privately dispense justice for profit. You could however pass a law authorizing the court to offer a simple fine payment similar to the way traffic offenses are handled.

    I really don't get why everyone in this thread seems to think that corporations magically have the same authority as the justice system.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    No, it would be unconstitutional. Retail enterprises have no right to privately dispense justice for profit. You could however pass a law authorizing the court to offer a simple fine payment similar to the way traffic offenses are handled.

    I really don't get why everyone in this thread seems to think that corporations magically have the same authority as the justice system.
    This is a functional alternative to the legal system, not sure why thats so unappealing to you.
    Have you ever taken one of those online classes to get out of a ticket?

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by rathi View Post
    I posted the law which very clearly states that demanding money in return for not accusing someone of a crime is illegal. All you have done is explain whine about unfair it is that your corporate masters are criticized for breaking the law.
    You didn't understand the portions of the law you posted. Come on back to the point when you do. Your misunderstanding seems to revolve around whatever weird script you have running about "corporate masters"

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by US Conservative View Post
    This is a functional alternative to the legal system, not sure why thats so unappealing to you.
    There is no such thing as a functioning alternative to the legal system for resolving criminal cases. "Supreme Law of the land" means just that.

    Have you ever taken one of those online classes to get out of a ticket?
    You don't "get out of a ticket" you plead guilty and traffic school is your sentence.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by clownboy View Post
    You didn't understand the portions of the law you posted. Come on back to the point when you do.
    Yeah, I'm literally the only person in this thread who has cited a single law. Meanwhile, everyone else thinks that retailers can hand out sentences like a judge.

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    Re: Pay us or we値l call the cops: Many U.S. stores giving shoplifters choice of puni

    Quote Originally Posted by JANFU View Post
    Not until proven.
    I know whether I am or not. That will probably determine my answer.

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